Well since I realle dont get it how to analyse the metrical pattern of this poem,
I would be really really thankful for any help folks !
Task: Mark the metrical pattern of the following poem and describe its form
Metrical pattern of a poem
Metrical pattern of a poem
Last edited by kenzulu on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:51 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Welcome to the Forum, kenzulu.
With this being your first posting and your getting immediately to your point/request, I'm curious if your task is a class assignment?
If so, you might want to at least mark the metrical pattern of the poem and describe its form and post that first and then request alternate or agreeing ideas. Are you a Leonard Cohen fan or did this seem like a good place to come for help, due to his being an excellent poet?
Where's the 2.) that accompanies the 1.) ?
From what I've witnessed here, the contributors don't really do others' assignments for them.
With that in mind, beware the possibility that if you get any replies, they could be intentionally inaccurate.
You could, of course, get some genuine help.
~ Lizzy
With this being your first posting and your getting immediately to your point/request, I'm curious if your task is a class assignment?
If so, you might want to at least mark the metrical pattern of the poem and describe its form and post that first and then request alternate or agreeing ideas. Are you a Leonard Cohen fan or did this seem like a good place to come for help, due to his being an excellent poet?
Where's the 2.) that accompanies the 1.) ?From what I've witnessed here, the contributors don't really do others' assignments for them.
With that in mind, beware the possibility that if you get any replies, they could be intentionally inaccurate.
You could, of course, get some genuine help.
~ Lizzy
"Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken."
~ Oscar Wilde
~ Oscar Wilde
Re: Metrical pattern of a poem
da doo dum dumMetrical pattern of a poem?
BTW - the Brill building janitor, Phil, always made the mistake of thinking it was Da Doo Ron Ron
Re: Metrical pattern of a poem
Very clever!
Re: Metrical pattern of a poem
Well since I realle dont get it how to analyse the metrical pattern of this poem,
I would be really really thankful for any help folks !
I would be really really thankful for any help folks !
Last edited by kenzulu on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Metrical pattern of a poem
warning warning ken zulu - I'm dyslexic and do not have a good sense of meter (I can't hear it very well)
I think that the poem is set to an iambic beat (da DUM da DUM)
(you seriously need to check that for yourself because I'm only basing that on what I think I hear in the first line and the style that is being used)
I think it would be
The young leaves shiver on their green
each beat, each daDUM = one foot so each line has four feet. Four feet set to an Iambic beat = an Iambic Tetrameter
Here's a good tip for feeling the beat, if you have a hard time hearing it. http://www.mjfreelancer.com/?p=82
Okay form, I'm a little more confident here
A four line stanza is called a quatrain. This poem has an envelope rhyme (envelope because one rhyme is wrapped around the other - very romantic) so you could say that the poem consists of 2 quatrain envelope stanzas. I think this page might be useful to you. If you scroll down you'll see a section on envelope poems but also info on other four line stanzas. also from the same guy, check out this info about italian octaves
side note/observation:
I wonder if this was the whole poem, it looks like it could be the beginning of a sonnet doesn't it? (though the lines are a little shorter)
The young leaves shiver on their green
Chill, as the broad gray sky exhales
Rough winds, although the time entails
A mellow heat that might have been.
An early visitation from
Recumbent summer, leaping spring
Having sped by, flapped a hot wing
And fled this cold park where we come
I think that the poem is set to an iambic beat (da DUM da DUM)
(you seriously need to check that for yourself because I'm only basing that on what I think I hear in the first line and the style that is being used)
I think it would be
The young leaves shiver on their green
each beat, each daDUM = one foot so each line has four feet. Four feet set to an Iambic beat = an Iambic Tetrameter
Here's a good tip for feeling the beat, if you have a hard time hearing it. http://www.mjfreelancer.com/?p=82
Okay form, I'm a little more confident here
A four line stanza is called a quatrain. This poem has an envelope rhyme (envelope because one rhyme is wrapped around the other - very romantic) so you could say that the poem consists of 2 quatrain envelope stanzas. I think this page might be useful to you. If you scroll down you'll see a section on envelope poems but also info on other four line stanzas. also from the same guy, check out this info about italian octaves
side note/observation:
I wonder if this was the whole poem, it looks like it could be the beginning of a sonnet doesn't it? (though the lines are a little shorter)
Last edited by Cate on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Can't be a sonnet, the line needs ten syllables for that. I agree, it's basically iambic, although there are some liberties taken. It probably is the whole poem, although the people are dropped kind of abruptly into the last line.
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Yes! I got the rhythm right, the first line seemed easier then the rest to hear
I just meant the first 8 lines of a sonnet (I was dropping an idea for him to potentially use in his discussion piece
) your right line lengths are to short for a sonnet. I had a friend who did a wonderful series of sonnets though and didn't stick to the rule one little bit - they were awesome.
- ken I had a broken link up there - I've fixed it
I just meant the first 8 lines of a sonnet (I was dropping an idea for him to potentially use in his discussion piece
) your right line lengths are to short for a sonnet. I had a friend who did a wonderful series of sonnets though and didn't stick to the rule one little bit - they were awesome.- ken I had a broken link up there - I've fixed it
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hey thanks so long..
would the next lines be like :
Chill, | as the broad | sky ex | hales
Rough winds, | al | though the time en| tails
A mel | low heat | that might | have been
?
would the next lines be like :
Chill, | as the broad | sky ex | hales
Rough winds, | al | though the time en| tails
A mel | low heat | that might | have been
?
Re: Metrical pattern of a poem
Cate wrote: I had a friend who did a wonderful series of sonnets though and didn't stick to the rule one little bit - they were awesome.
I'm a picky sonnet purist... I'm inclined rather to the belief that your friend did a wonderful series of poems.
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Given your new approach to us here, kenzulu, you can see how good-willed and helpful the people here can be. I'd love to jump in, but I'm a bit at a loss and, hopefully, will learn something, too. If she wanders through, again, I'd love to see Marcia jump in, too.
On that first line, I believe I emphasize green rather than their, Cate.
Maybe not, though?
On that first line, I believe I emphasize green rather than their, Cate.
Maybe not, though?
"Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken."
~ Oscar Wilde
~ Oscar Wilde
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oh yes, you're quite right Lizzy!
I think that it should go something like
The young / leaves shiv/er on / their green
Chill, as/ the broad/ gray sky/ exhales...
Helen, IMM ... anyone else good at hearing a beat?
I think that it should go something like
The young / leaves shiv/er on / their green
Chill, as/ the broad/ gray sky/ exhales...
Helen, IMM ... anyone else good at hearing a beat?
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any suggestions ? Im really bad at it...
Last edited by kenzulu on Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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it would strike me as odd though for S2L3 to switch like that - I think haVING| sped BY| flapped A| hot WING
if you try the hand at the back of your chin thing (one finger slightly above and one slightly below so that you can feel the vibrations when you speak), you'll see that there's a strong vibration for the sound VING and WING.
~~
Helen, do you write or dabble a little?
We actually used to have a very good sonnet guy here - Norman Ball. I think that he is formal in structure but with a modern bite/edge. He had one here not to long ago that had a Cohen reference, I'll pull it up.
if you try the hand at the back of your chin thing (one finger slightly above and one slightly below so that you can feel the vibrations when you speak), you'll see that there's a strong vibration for the sound VING and WING.
~~
Helen, do you write or dabble a little?
We actually used to have a very good sonnet guy here - Norman Ball. I think that he is formal in structure but with a modern bite/edge. He had one here not to long ago that had a Cohen reference, I'll pull it up.
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okay and is S2L3 consequently a trochee tetrameter ?