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Tri-me and Ln :shock: Scusate signore, could you repeat, please?

Flojts, regarding Toronto, not so long ago, during an interview this Italian song-writer-singer was complimented for his works. He wanted to say something nice and he paid a kind of tribute to the Canadian Leonard Cohen, great poet and song writer from Toronto, he said on the air from a Montréal's radio station. The interviewer was a bit offensed. The Italian was all confused. This was not a great moment of the radio. It was more : very funny. Besides Toronto and Montréal are the two most important cities of East Canada in term of business. In fact Toronto is more important than Montréal for Cohen's business. Montréal was only the muse, so to speak.

As for Cohen's fluency in French, as far as I understood, it depends of the circumstances. As you know, the more you use a language, the more you are fluent. As strange at it may seem (from a big distance), one could easily lived without taking the majority into account few years ago, and it happened to be during Cohen's youth. I doubt that he spoke something else than English as a boy, but this I can not say for sure. Further in his life, as a signer, there is a report of him having done a complete show at Place-des-Art (Montréal) in a perfect French. But he did choose (was it a choice or a turn of fate? Or both?) to do his life and his career in English - which is no surprise to you (I guess :roll: ). He certainly used French in France, but I don't think he is so familiar with the language as he lives without hearing and speaking it mostly : English - and music - being the matter of his art. The Partisan is a French (from France) song which Cohen learned from a friend and was singing when he had 15 years old. Un Canadien Errant is a French Canadian song that his mother liked very much. As far as I know those are the only songs he did not in English.

NOoooo Lz. No. :( Peas and blueberries can not. I'm sorry.
:cry: Though the description of Fljots is appealing. :D

To come back to a previous post, I meant "Perfection is NOT of this world". Of course.
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Not to worry, Tchoc. I won't be mixing them :lol: ~ As in giving peas a chance was not necessarily literal, neither was my blueberry hill. Due to the song of the Fifties, it has a wholly different connotation :lol: .
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Thanks for the info Tchoc. Quebec is a very different place from when Leonard Cohen was a boy. I was very fond of Pierre Elliott Trudeau he dreamed of every Canadian being bilengual. I met a woman and hung out with her for months, mostly Friday evenings after work with a gang of friends. One day I heard her speaking French, I did not know she spoke French, turned out she is a French woman she had no accent when speaking English. I can't even spell bilengial.
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Post by September_Cohen »

Aww...some action here. Sorry, I've missed the thread since now.
Hope I'm among the knives throwers you talked about before.
But I must precise something...I don't really think that i can be as bad as the initiator of this topic said...I probably can get a little train and be much bad, but I don't mind about it...or about hit. As I don't mind if Leonard read it or not...that's not the energy that help growing this forum

I think it's just essential to give some gentle punch in order to analyse how react the fans...

I'll still throw knives...I'll just won't change their size :wink:
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Went back to the first post in this thread. I love how the threads evolve we started with, why are we nasty. To talking about peas on earth and Leonard speaking French. In the spirit of peas on earth we should throw know knives :lol:
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Post by linda_lakeside »

Tchoco,

I scrolled way down to post, before reading everyone else, first. I was referring to the Partisan, yes, the song he learned from the Union Songbook (or whatever) when he was 15, but on Best Of, he does sing in French (behind the female back-up) - the French lines are enclosed with the lyrics. Is this what you meant? Or did I mis-read in my haste?

Linda.

PS: I wore red clogs for years also. I got them in Copenhagen, the bottoms were wood, and they lasted for years. I cried when I had to bury them. Just prior to that, I knew Danish fluently then, forgot it. So, you're right Tchoco, if you don't use a language, you'll forget it. If it were his mother tongue, it might stick longer, but if it's learned under other circumstances, it's easy to lose. That's all I said, more even. Oh! Right. Give peas a chance.
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The Red Clog Club ~ sounds kinda clumpy, doesn't it? Ask C-2 to say it three times fast.
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Post by ~greg »

Here is the "Song of the French partisan",
as it appears in "The People's Song Book":
http://relay.twoshakesofalambstail.com/ ... rtisan.jpg

And here is the contents of "The People's Song Book":
http://relay.twoshakesofalambstail.com/ ... g_book.jpg

These songs are very suggestive.
Eg "Jefferson and liberty" contains these lines:
Here strangers from a thousand shores,
Compelled by tyranny to roam
Shall find, amidst abundant stores,
A nobler and a happier home.
- which may suggest what LC's "storeroom" means.

- and, also, a possible new reading of "The Stranger Song"
(-on "Songs of Leonard Cohen", -which came out in 1968,)
that pairs it with Dylan's "I Pity The Poor Immigrant"
(-on "John Wesley Harding", -which also came out in 1968.)
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Post by Tchocolatl »

Lz, anything is OK, as long as I don't have to eat some.

Sept, who do you think you are scaring with your fake knifes in virtual backs? Newbies maybe.

Ln, go figure...go figure :roll:

P.S. : I know I'm right, I'm always right. Well. Usually. Of course. Ey![/i]

P.S. (2) : I heard him singing it in French. Well Tom (Sakic) may be about to come back. He certainly could confirm with you. Or anybody else?

Tri-Me the father's man was a pea soup and his mother a square head, so he does not have any merit being what you can not write. Besides, bilingualism
did not born and dye with him. Well, those laws are suppose to be there to keep peace (if you don't mind, I'm fed up of the green little puns). Why not? Hum? Give it a chance I mean, laws or not laws. That is the question.

I rediscovered with pleasure another fine Finish site these days: the sauna. Very relaxing, this place. Very hot, stress is melting like snow under sun. Sauna, cold-icy shower, sauna cold-icy shower. Yeah! Great feeling! This very dry heat that seems to go deep as bones, I will appreciate it a lot this winter. Only I would not run nude outside to roll in the snow. I would risk to get hit by a bus, first, and to be arrested, second. My gyms are downtown. Too bad.

Song of the French Partisan and cie, how interesting documents. Does someone have a clue about the changing of sex from English to French? I always wondered. Also the last paragraph does not have the same meaning. One means coming out of the shadow, the other, going into the shadow. Well...The spirit of the time is there in both versions, though. I guess this is the most important : how both writers felt about it, and how they succeed to make a vivid memory of all this.

For the rest, protest Songs are protest songs I guess.
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Post by September_Cohen »

Yeah Tchucky....that's one of my FANtasm....do you want to contribute...There's always a place for you in there :twisted:
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:? where? hell? :shock:

Big spoons, big knives, no fork, little peas, protest songs. What kind of thread is this... this is a pity....
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Post by September_Cohen »

I buy!
One for the money
Two for the show
Three to get ready
Go man go
I said tell me Mr. Siegal
How do I get out of here
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Post by Tchocolatl »

Sold to Mr. September_Cohen, for two pence and a pair of red clogs with a life time of 30 years and more, like Leonard Cohen's songs.

(Its a deal : pas de sabots rouges, pas de fil)
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Post by September_Cohen »

Ah sweet goodness, thank you, thank you. My wife's gonna be so happy.
Like a Memphis honeymoon. I would like to thank people around here, my lovely baby, my biodegradable god and my manager who help me in my way to the top!!!
One for the money
Two for the show
Three to get ready
Go man go
I said tell me Mr. Siegal
How do I get out of here
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Post by Joe Way »

Hello Greg,

Thank you for posting the links to your scans of "The People's Songbook." I agree that it was probably quite influential in Leonard's development as a singer/songwriter.

I am not sure if "The Stranger Song" shares this source. I tend to think that he was more influenced by Camus and Satre than immigrant influx. Though, I will grant you that it captures a certain type of atmosphere that evokes this era (but I am probably unduly influenced by a recent trip to some western, mining, ghost towns and the memories of "McCabe and Mrs. Miller.")

I did think immediately of "The Land of Plenty" when you posted this. That song could be plopped in there without a moments hesitation and it would be sung around campfires worldwide.

By the way, I have a cover of "I Pity the Poor Immigrant" by Christy Moore that is lovely. Let me know if you would like a copy-I still feel like I owe you for putting up those "Rare, Live, Songs" for us.

Take care,

Joe
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