Yes Tri-me the reader is interpreting feelings and meanings, sometimes in the right way sometimes not (many projections).
All together for Lz's Dad! He his a jolly good fellow...
Notes to the file of YdF : After having been raped/sodomized by a newbie, the patient experiments a split of personnality, a distortion of the reality, green gory stuff comming out his mouth at some times.
C'mon, YdF, you look like a character escaped from LambdaMOO
that has not yet realized he is not there anymore. Be real. For others what you are doing is always the same plain evident boring game, black on white.
Steven, indeed, and thanks G_d, "often" is not "always". It seems that bad trauma can be overcome as an adult, but the process is it still mysterious, this phenomenon known as resilience.
Jurica, I would'nt knew, I'm just holding the fort. I was and still is against the war in Iraq, and I'm against terrorism too. I understand they are fighting with what they can. Fear is certainly powerfull. All this violence I do not approuve. That's it.
Thursday, August 11, 2005; Posted: 2:28 p.m. EDT (18:28 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- British author Salman Rushdie on Thursday called for a reform movement that would move Islam into the "modern age" to combat jihadists and closed Muslim communities in the West that produce disaffected youths wielding "lethal rucksacks."
In 1989, Rushdie was forced into hiding when the late Iranian Islamic fundamentalist leader Ayatollah Khomeni issued a religious death decree for alleged blasphemy against Islam in Rushdie's novel "The Satanic Verses."
The Indian-born Rushdie made his statement in an essay published Thursday in The Times of London titled, "Muslims unite! A new Reformation will bring your faith into the modern era."
"What is needed is a move beyond tradition -- nothing less than a reform movement to bring the core concepts of Islam into the modern age, a Muslim Reformation to combat not only the jihadi ideologues but also the dusty, stifling seminaries of the traditionalists, throwing open the windows of the closed communities to let in much-needed fresh air," Rushdie wrote.
Much of the article addresses the positions of Sir Iqbal Sacranie, head of the Muslim Council of Britain.
"It is high time, for starters, that Muslims were able to study the revelation of their religion as an event inside history, not supernaturally above it," Rushdie wrote.
"It would be good to see governments and community leaders inside the Muslim world as well as outside it throwing their weight behind this idea, because creating and sustaining such a reform movement will require, above all, a new educational impetus whose results may take a generation to be felt, a new scholarship to replace the literalist dictates and narrow dogmatisms that plague present-day Muslim thinking," he wrote.
According to Rushdie, Islam comprises millions who are "tolerant" and "civilized" but many others whose viewpoints are "antediluvian, who think of homosexuality as ungodly, who have little time for real freedom of expression, who routinely express anti-Semitic views, and who, in the case of the Muslim Diaspora, are -- it has to be said -- in many ways at odds with the cultures among which they live."
Rushdie pointed to the English city of Leeds -- where police have said three July 7 London suicide bombers grew up -- as a place where "many traditional Muslims lead lives apart, inward-turned lives of near-segregation from the wider population."
The July 7 bombs, on three Underground trains and a double-decker bus, killed 52 commuters as well as four bombers. It's thought that the attackers carried their weapons in rucksacks.
"From such defensive, separated worlds some youngsters have indefensibly stepped across a moral line and taken up their lethal rucksacks," Rushdie wrote. "The deeper alienations that lead to terrorism may have their roots in these young men's objections to events in Iraq or elsewhere, but the closed communities of some traditional Western Muslims are places in which young men's alienations can easily deepen."
Rushdie wrote that "the insistence within Islam" that the Quran "is the infallible, uncreated word of God renders analytical scholarly discourse all but impossible" and the rigidity "plays right into the hands of the literalist Islamofascists."
"If, however, [the Quran] were seen as a historical document, then it would be legitimate to reinterpret it to suit the new conditions of successive new ages. Laws made in the 7th century could finally give way to the needs of the 21st. The Islamic Reformation has to begin here, with an acceptance that all ideas, even sacred ones, must adapt to altered realities."
Does Rushdie's proposed "reformation" (sic) also apply to
1. The Christian creationist "theory" of history?
2. Naughty things e.g. homosexuality?
If Islam has to face 21st century realities, then so does Christianity.
Just a personal opinion,
Andrew.
Andrew-Your personal opinion conveniently forgets, that Christianity went trough reformation in 15-16 century, which leaves Islam how many centuries behind that religious reform? Your personal opinion also forgets, on what occasion Rushdie speaks of reform-when Islamists are blowing up London. If you have grudges against Christianity, then-if your personal opinion has any common sense-it would understand-that the man speaks of acute need, to avoid more human sacrifices to vicious fanatics. No need to be-oh so smart and observant. The house is on fire, if somebody is trying to help, don't look for the guy to have a shirt on exactly to your liking.
Andrew-did Christian fundamentalists condemn you to death because you don't believe in Bible and the Idea of creationism, or for being a homosexual? Certainly, Islam condemned Rushdy for speaking out his mind about Koran. Use of perspective is always helpful, not only in architecture and painting, but in thinking as well.
Notes to the file of YdF : After having been raped/sodomized by a newbie, the patient experiments a split of personnality, a distortion of the reality, green gory stuff comming out his mouth at some times.
Your glee in the contemplation of my being raped and sodomized by Aslak reveals a great deal about your character and how you really feel about rape.
To the forum: Aslak's filth would have raised a storm of protest if the roles had been reversed and I had spewed out his garbage. More hypocrisy.
With regards to the personal attacks here (I haven't been following
the exchanges closely for lack of interest), they do trash
this forum and are self-indulgent or worse.
It is incredible indeed, Tchoco and others welcoming the one-Charles XII the Aslak, whose attacks on YDF were as filthy as one would never like to hear-and Tchoco would feel quite pleased with that?- (after so much preaching against rape, sexually suggestive appearances, etc.), but when it all comes right here-surprise, surprise-she thinks-that is what YdF deserves. The cowardly request from Anaedith to me-to be polite, when I merely pointed out to other equally dirty Swede, but of course-nothing was addressed to that filthy mouth to mind his manners! Others complimenting the bragger on his school papers as of a great achievement, others so engaged in a childish game of songs, that one even screams out -- shut up! But of course, he was not disgusted with the filthy mouth hooligan, just that it bothered him to continue the song game. really bunch of cowards! My respect to you-YDF for standing firmly against the filthy hooligan and at the end-the loving cowards, who were so afraid to be attacked by the psycho- Aslak.
Have I missed something. I have been a bit lax in keeping up. If there was a post by someone called Aslak I didn't see it and I can't find it now either and as this argument is going round in circles and getting nowhere I stopped following it.
So it could be the lack of response to "Aslak's" post was not too many people saw it and therefore could not respond to it.
i'm not a member of any religious community, but i'd be glad to see members of both Christian and Muslim community start the reformes in their own 'back yard'.
bee (a Christian) is always eager to propose reformes to Muslims, but loudly refuses Andrew's idea for reformes for Christianity... that will do little good. only widens the gap of misunderstandings, xenofobia and hate.
According to the Koran, male martyrs are welcomed to Paradise by 72 beautiful virgins.
WHERE DO THEY HOPE TO FIND THESE VIRGINS???????
"... to make a pale imitation of reality with twenty-six juggled letters"
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
Dear Paula, I am glad you missed that sorry business, which was on the comments section. Shameful and ugly- I don't think I would ever trust to any of the sweet, sugar coated speeches of the pretentious participants there-playing the song game-what song Leonard Cohen should never cover-and I know the answer-LC should never cover the song- Venere Volgare fighting Venere Celeste-but that song has not been written yet.
bee (a Christian) is always eager to propose reformes to Muslims, but loudly refuses Andrew's idea for reformes for Christianity...
Dear Jurica- I did not propose reforms for Muslims- Kush posted the proposal of Rushdy for reforms on Islam- (who is a Muslim-) my comment was on Andrews "personal opinion", por favor-don't jump to conclusions, just because you saw my name there,
yours, bee,
forever Christian, Catholic, alleluia, amen.
do i have to waste my time searching for all the posts where you said that for Muslims being a woman is a shame in itself, that your dislike for Muslim religion is growing all the time, etc..?
is that not simillar to Christian view of homosexuals?
