This is so an excellent idea!!!!!!!!!!!

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:16 pm

Linda leg-thigh-sigh

I would prefer to speak not of my conception rather of my becoming. I am being continued if you know the methaphor. I think Leonard Cohen prefers to be in my presence while this proces is evolving. To give you an example I listened to the song "There for you" while talking a shower this morning. As I stepped out of the bath ***this can be bleeped out as it involves nakedness*** I looked quite pretty in the mirror. I was being thought and in that thought there was a sweet weeping and the tears was the shower and the beauty of the mirror was the song and the song was leonard entering my becoming and my becoming made me go for the oatmeal and I stepped outside and behold a single sheep passed in the horizon making some sort of line across the rising sun.

Peter

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:45 pm

Peter,

Thank you for your divine interpretation. I've seen only some of your posts describing the connection between Leonard and yourself, I must have misunderstood the true meaning.

What you've just drawn for me, with your words, has given me more insight into this 'relationship', and I will try to keep this in mind as I run into you across the board.

Respectfully yours,
Linda.

PS: Actually, Linda leg - sigh, would have been pretty close to the way it sounds (and now looks).

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:29 pm

cha-cha-cha too Linda. So this is bookmaker, he? The guy who bets on the better horse for the firm to be a winner.

Tom, I could not find the origin of this urban legend. I guess this has no relevancy, as you, who knows everything, does not know anything about the fact.

As for "Charlie", yes, indeed, he was the one who wrote Les fleurs du mal. Great influence if it is really one, and not something out of my own private connections between things. Because "of" and "for" have defenitely not the same meaning, I would not think this is the case. It makes me feel more like a cynic offering, like, you know, we are giving flowers for people we love, and people that we want to honour, as well as we are flowering our beloved deceased. A bouquet of black orchids, sombre beauty out of rottenness.

P.S. : As far as I can see in the poetry room corner, far from being an offense, I feel that some poetrolls of the said corner would be very happy to be recognized as evil, or if you prefer smart-rebel, brilliant mischief, stupid/funny monkey, run-after-me-sherrif-guy, or any other synonym that could stand on the dark side of the mood. Why not? This is a game like any other.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:30 pm

Ah. Yes, Baudelaire. Jurica pointed me his way recently. I guess I should start reading him or be left behind. I do like him, although haven't 'read' him as such. Wonderful pick, Tchoco.

Linda.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:59 am

Ah! I would never left you behind for such a thing, my dear. What a stranger-to-me idea, this. Besides, I'm still waiting for you to finish to tranfer some files from you old comp. to the new one. Do you remimber? Or if you have changed your mind, its OK.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:07 am

Tchoco,

Do I remember?! Of course, I do! But in the transfer of files, comes the reading of the old and when one reads Baudelaire after, a person can suffer tremendously from being very shy.

However, I still think about it.

Linda.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:19 am

'k. Then think about it, and read CB after.

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:35 am

Tchocolatl wrote:Tom, I could not find the origin of this urban legend. I guess this has no relevancy, as you, who knows everything, does not know anything about the fact.

Tchoco, I didn't mention of/for matter at all, as I didn't hear about it before... It could be true, if anybody, Ira Nadel will know that (I must check Various Positions).

Now I am checking... Yes, I said:

Flowers for Hitler isn't the title to beconsidered at all. It has some political and ideological connotations which were consciously used by Leonard when he titled the book

Note the time: isn't the title, not wasn't the title... I was talking about proposed title Flowers for Leonard

I didn't reffer to of/for matter at all... Sorry, pal

Yes, it should be "Flowers for Leonard isn't the title to be considered at all, because it has some political connotations to Hitler, Napoleon or whomever, consciously used by Leonard when he titled the book so." My error

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:52 pm

Tom Sakic wrote:[Note the time: isn't the title, not wasn't the title... I was talking about proposed title Flowers for Leonard I didn't reffer to of/for matter at all... Sorry, pal :

This, I understood at first sight, pal, old chap, happy good fellow, Tom dearest.

I meant : if you did not confirm that the urban legend was true it was because you did not know about it - and if you do not know about it, it must be just a urban legend (cause you know about everything in LC's wold (and when you don't you do a research)- and I was/am not cynic, just realistic).

How easy it is to misunderstand each others. Most of the time I just don't try to untangled things in virtual world, now. When I do I give rarely more than a sole try. Strike one.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:00 am

Does it muddy the waters if say that I got into an of/for exchange with you, Tchoco?

Linda.

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:08 am

As fair I checked, the original title was Opium and Hitler. There's a note in the book, Leonard says that in previous times, the book's title would be adressed at Napoleon or Dzenghis Khan (sorry for spelling). I'd say that means that dictatorships are only changing their names - you see my point, after Napoleon, Hitler, Dzinghis Khan, Leonard?

Anyway, we can always print a tribute book. There was some: Take This Waltz is compilation of many famous peoples' opinions about Leonard, and Stephen Scobie published book of poetry Some Kind of Record, in which - I heard - every single poem begins with one of Leonard's lines.

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:33 pm

Maybe the Title "flowers for hitler" could be understood in the light of the ceremony where a child is giving the dictator flowers at festivals. The child is giving the dictator flowers because it is told to by the grownups which fear the power of the ruler. The obvious irony in Leonards case is offcourse that he in book after book, song after song confronts the rulers in all of us(including himself) with the devasting consequences of misuse of power. It is as if he says : "Well mister hotshot, here is a flower, I hope you dont mind the fact that is smells of corpses".

Peter

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:38 am

Yes Linda, but so little that we could say the water is still very clear.

Strike two, Tom. One more left and after and you are out.

(the security sceal)

I knew also about the meaning of Hitler (being the bad guy of the story) in the title, but as long as the poets are notLeonard Cohen, the title should not have the same meaning. It was pure logic. Or joke, if you prefer.

peter danielsen, it depends 'cause corpses of saints are reported to smell flowers, perfume, or well, smell good. In the other hands, some flowers....

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:41 am

I think Peter's post make good point to my statement...
I remember "flowers for Tito" which children in my country were giving him for his birthday... which was some kind of state holiday. He (Tito) always wor eonly white suit. That's mark of colonial dictator, you can see it now on Gadafi and similar guys

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:48 pm

Then, thank you, thank you very much Tom, I take it for me also, this "good point" as I was the first to stressed how people are giving flowers to people they want to honor (among others). As for my previous comment, it was again, pure logic. It could be funny pure logic when you compare it to real life.

Ah! I would prefer to go into the new stuff that peter introduced : the misuse of power. OK, we are living in pack and we need a leader. Its OK with me. Now if this means that we have to through away our personal will to follow blindly the leader when he/she misuses power, I find it less OK. G_d gave us our free will as we can be co-creator in Love, if you don't believe in God, than it does not matter, the free will is still existing and we still are creative creatures (do I have to enter the clergy to work out my sentences? I am so easily influenced

I better think twice about this).

So it is much too easy to put all the evil of the world on the back of a leader.

Tom, does the colour white (actually it is an absence of colour) will be the next fashionable symbolic colour to recognize the bad guy in films?

This is so an excellent idea!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think Leonard should include an offering from a forum member on his new CD