Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Ask and answer questions about Leonard Cohen, his work, this forum and the websites!
User avatar
Maarten
Posts: 1544
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:31 am
Location: Sint-Niklaas, Belgium
Contact:

Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Maarten »

Hi,
I'm updating my list of all the setlists, but since English is not my native language, I've got this question:
All the legs of the tour have their own region. But what's the correct name for this:

Eastern Canada leg OR East Canadian leg?
Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?
Northern America leg OR North American leg?
...

Any linguistic purists over here who can help me out and also explain me why I should write it that way?

Thanks in advance,
Maarten

PS: I asked 2 English teachers here in Belgium and they both answered differently... One had the "feeling" it had to be "East Canadian leg" etc..., the other one suggested "Eastern Canada leg" because it had to do with geograpical issues (I can't really explain it well in English...).

2008 Manchester | Bruges | Amsterdam | London | 2x Brussels | Rotterdam |2x London
2009 New York | Cologne | Antwerp | Venice | Colmar | Barcelona | Las Vegas | San José
2010 Salzburg | 2x Sligo | Helsinki | 3x Ghent | Lille | 2x Las Vegas
2012 5x Ghent | 2x A'dam | Helsinki | Dublin | Verona | 3x Paris | Lisboa
2013 Paris | Antwerp | Oberhausen | Brussels | Pula | Rotterdam | Amsterdam | 2x Wellington | Auckland
vern.silver
Posts: 181
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:58 pm
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by vern.silver »

Maybe just Canada Part 2. None of the venues are really in Northern Canada. He is in every province except the Maritimes, and he is doing none of the Northern territories ( Yukon, Northwest and Nunavut.)

Vern
"Clarence said a striking thing about rowing that I've always valued ... that he liked rowing because you were approaching life backward. You could clearly see the past, and you glanced quickly at the future over your shoulder.' Jim Harrison.
stfa
Posts: 103
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:00 am

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by stfa »

Definitely not Eastern Canada - that implies the Maritimes which is where all of these tours started and he isn't going back yet!

Northern would imply the territories.

the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hamilton Place April 1993, O'Keefe Toronto July 1993, Center in the Square Kitchener June 2nd 2008, Hamilton Place June 3rd 2008, Copps Coliseum, Hamilton May 19th 2009, Labatt's London May 24th 2009, ACC Toronto December 4th & 5th 2012, Labatts London Dec 11th 2012 Copps Coliseum Hamilton April 9 2013 Tower of Song, Centre Bell November 6th 2017
Mondomando
Posts: 33
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Mondomando »

stfa wrote:Definitely not Eastern Canada - that implies the Maritimes which is where all of these tours started and he isn't going back yet!

Northern would imply the territories.

the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hello stfa:

I am not a lingoist but I am a Canadian and I would call it the "West-Central Canadian Tour" myself.

If that helps at all.

Daevid
(I did intentionally mispell linguist just to give you a sense of the grandeur of my authority on the subjct. ... Ditto for "misspell".)
Mondomando
Posts: 33
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Mondomando »

Mondomando wrote:
stfa wrote:Definitely not Eastern Canada - that implies the Maritimes which is where all of these tours started and he isn't going back yet!

Northern would imply the territories.

the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hello stfa:

I am not a lingoist but I am a Canadian and I would call it the "West-Central Canadian Tour" myself.

If that helps at all.

Daevid
(I did intentionally mispell linguist just to give you a sense of the grandeur of my authority on the subjct. ... Ditto for "misspell".)
"subjct" is a typo which is a hole other can of beens.
Daevid
Darling
Posts: 370
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:42 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Darling »

stfa wrote:
the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hello stfa! It's been a while... :)

I'm not sure Quebec City is considered as being in Central Canada, it's pretty East to me. Sorry for Quebec being a trouble maker again... :lol: :lol:

I think vern.silver's ''Canada Part 2'' would have to do unless someone comes up with a better idea...
Or maybe "Canada's Second Leg"?
User avatar
Maarten
Posts: 1544
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:31 am
Location: Sint-Niklaas, Belgium
Contact:

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Maarten »

Guys,

I was kind of asking something totally different than the thing you all have been trying to answer... It's been really fun to see you all discuss about the geographical issue about how Canada can be divided according to the four rhumbs, so I didn't want to disturb this continuation of posts. But because this discussion is still alive, it reminds me of my initial problem once again.

So here we go:

What should I write:
Eastern Canada tour OR East Canadian tour OR Eastern Canadian tour?

And I'm talking about the linguistic issue here... Not the geographical!
Perhaps you Canadians can answer this more easily if I change the name of the subject in, let's say... Africa! LC hasn't been there (yet), but this might lead to a more objective answer! :)

Should I write:
Eastern Africa tour OR East African tour OR Eastern African Tour

Got the idea now?

Please give me an explanation with your answer aswell!

Thanks,
Maarten

2008 Manchester | Bruges | Amsterdam | London | 2x Brussels | Rotterdam |2x London
2009 New York | Cologne | Antwerp | Venice | Colmar | Barcelona | Las Vegas | San José
2010 Salzburg | 2x Sligo | Helsinki | 3x Ghent | Lille | 2x Las Vegas
2012 5x Ghent | 2x A'dam | Helsinki | Dublin | Verona | 3x Paris | Lisboa
2013 Paris | Antwerp | Oberhausen | Brussels | Pula | Rotterdam | Amsterdam | 2x Wellington | Auckland
Darling
Posts: 370
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:42 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Darling »

Oh. :lol: :lol:

I think it's "Eastern Canada", but better wait for our anglo friends to confirm. 8)
Mondomando
Posts: 33
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Mondomando »

Darling wrote:Oh. :lol: :lol:

I think it's "Eastern Canada", but better wait for our anglo friends to confirm. 8)
No, no ... it should be East African. I am not an expert but that is how I would say it as an anglophone.

And by the way Darling, I love Quebec. As a westerner I never overlook a chance to say that. I have been to Montreal a number of times to study clown with Francine Cote and to visit my therapeutic clown colleagues at Dr Clown. Montreal and Quebec City are fantastic.

Daevid
Darling
Posts: 370
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:42 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Darling »

Mondomando wrote:
Darling wrote:Oh. :lol: :lol:

I think it's "Eastern Canada", but better wait for our anglo friends to confirm. 8)
No, no ... it should be East African. I am not an expert but that is how I would say it as an anglophone.

And by the way Darling, I love Quebec. As a westerner I never overlook a chance to say that. I have been to Montreal a number of times to study clown with Francine Cote and to visit my therapeutic clown colleagues at Dr Clown. Montreal and Quebec City are fantastic.

Daevid
I agree about "East African" because we often hear "East Africa", but I think for Canada it's different because we never hear (I don't, anyways) "East Canada" but rather "Eastern Canada" like "Western Canada", no?

I am glad you love Quebec, :D are you from BC? I myself love BC, it's so beautiful!
Darling
Posts: 370
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:42 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Darling »

BTW, if I am right, could someone explain why the difference (ie why "Eastern Canada", but "East Africa")?
vern.silver
Posts: 181
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:58 pm
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by vern.silver »

Well, just to make you options just a little more confusing, when we say Western Canada it generally refers to all provinces west of Ontario, then we have the Prairies which is Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Northern Canada refers to the Northwest Territories, Yukon and Nunavut. Eastern Canada generally refers to Ontario and Quebec and of course we then have the Maritimes where Leonard started this wonderful tour almost one year ago.

Darling, I don't know why East Africa and Not Eastern Africa, or Eastern Canada and not East Canada except that it jsut doesn't sound right when they are used in reverse order - for me anyway. Probably because it is what i AM USED TO.

Vern
"Clarence said a striking thing about rowing that I've always valued ... that he liked rowing because you were approaching life backward. You could clearly see the past, and you glanced quickly at the future over your shoulder.' Jim Harrison.
stfa
Posts: 103
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:00 am

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by stfa »

Mondomando wrote:
Mondomando wrote:
stfa wrote:Definitely not Eastern Canada - that implies the Maritimes which is where all of these tours started and he isn't going back yet!

Northern would imply the territories.

the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hello stfa:

I am not a lingoist but I am a Canadian and I would call it the "West-Central Canadian Tour" myself.

If that helps at all.

Daevid
(I did intentionally mispell linguist just to give you a sense of the grandeur of my authority on the subjct. ... Ditto for "misspell".)
"subjct" is a typo which is a hole other can of beens.
Daevid
Mondomando,
I've always believed language and spelling and geography should be "fluid" - did we ever settle on a term for this Partial Canadian tour - hey how about the Canadian Unity tour???
Cheers!
Hamilton Place April 1993, O'Keefe Toronto July 1993, Center in the Square Kitchener June 2nd 2008, Hamilton Place June 3rd 2008, Copps Coliseum, Hamilton May 19th 2009, Labatt's London May 24th 2009, ACC Toronto December 4th & 5th 2012, Labatts London Dec 11th 2012 Copps Coliseum Hamilton April 9 2013 Tower of Song, Centre Bell November 6th 2017
stfa
Posts: 103
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:00 am

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by stfa »

Darling wrote:
stfa wrote:
the first dates are west coast, the next western canada or the prairies and the rest are sort of central Canada - we're a big place so it is hard to label.

Maybe "Western-Central Canadian tour" would do it!
Hello stfa! It's been a while... :)

I'm not sure Quebec City is considered as being in Central Canada, it's pretty East to me. Sorry for Quebec being a trouble maker again... :lol: :lol:

I think vern.silver's ''Canada Part 2'' would have to do unless someone comes up with a better idea...
Or maybe "Canada's Second Leg"?
Hi - how have you been? I'm looking forward to two shows in the next week - I hope you are getting to see another show or two! Yes you are right about Quebec City - I would consider that the start of Eastern Canada - this really is a tough one - maybe something in French would better sum up the region Leonard is covering!
(I know Quebec City well - it is one of my favourite places on Earth - I was hoping he would do the Festival D'ete - it would be amazing to see him there!
Cheers!
Hamilton Place April 1993, O'Keefe Toronto July 1993, Center in the Square Kitchener June 2nd 2008, Hamilton Place June 3rd 2008, Copps Coliseum, Hamilton May 19th 2009, Labatt's London May 24th 2009, ACC Toronto December 4th & 5th 2012, Labatts London Dec 11th 2012 Copps Coliseum Hamilton April 9 2013 Tower of Song, Centre Bell November 6th 2017
Darling
Posts: 370
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:42 pm

Re: Northern Canada leg OR North Canadian leg?

Post by Darling »

stfa wrote:Hi - how have you been? I'm looking forward to two shows in the next week - I hope you are getting to see another show or two!
Only one show (Quebec city), but second row! So I've been and will be fine! :D
I'm glad you get to see him again (twice!) too. :D
Yes, a Festival d'Été concert would have been great, but I do prefer to see him indoors though. Still praying the Lord of Song for a surprise Montreal show although my wallet may not agree with me. :roll:
Take care and enjoy!
Post Reply

Return to “Comments & Questions”