Muffins or War

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Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a *just* War with not very many casulaties

I prefer a Just war
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I prefer just muffins
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What I meant was that I am an outsider to your family or to internal British issues therefore, I wouldnt want to make too many statements about it.
I have never ever considered myself an outsider in US.....race has never ever been an issue for me or for my fairly extended family in various parts of US and I couldnt imagine living anywhere else. All I am trying to say is your understanding of the issues is limited (just like mine would be of internal Brit politics).

Ok, now let there be Peace :D

p.s. Lizzytysh...that CD is actually on its way today. Let me know when you receive it.
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Hi Byron and Kush ~

I think Byron's long ~ sincere ~ detailed ~ intelligent ~ thoughtful ~ insightful ~ and ~ caring ~ response here is ~ beautiful ~ regardless of who understands how little, or how much, of whatever issues, where. Thank you for all of your words, Byron. I'm pleased to hear, Kush, that you and your family members have not suffered any racism in the U.S. :) "Let there be Peace" is also a beautiful idea :D .

Yes, I will let you know as soon as it arrives. I received an unexpected package from England tonite, and upon simply seeing it in my mailbox, I thought, "Dang! That was fast!" Of course, it didn't take long to see it wasn't really from you :) ~ but I was thinking about it as recently as an hour ago, and I will definitely let you know. I'm really looking forward to listening 8) .

~ Lizzytysh :D
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Hi All~

Seems some interesting exchanges have ensued in my absence. I must correct your inferrence, Byron, regarding my 'prod' at NPR as being a "name-calling" "label". On the contrary, I doubt the academics on NPR would be anything but proud of being 'left wing'; a majority of teachers and professors in universities here are openly socialist. (The 'whinging' description may have been the prod that pricked!) Many academics have an irritating habit of declaring how a particular thing (i.e. a political, social, economic or environmental situation) is wrong, without the realistic, practical or empirical knowledge to know how or why (or even if). Lacking this prerequisite, any offers of viable solutions are conspicuous by their absence. That is not to say they can't be helpful and necessary in pointing out inequities, injustices and other problems overlooked by mainstream media outlets. Remember, I said 'too much' is not good. Steep yourself constantly in hand-wringing 'ain't it awful', 'the sky is falling' stuff, and you will start to see nothing but what is 'wrong', instead of what is becoming right. :idea:

However, when NPR steps out of their helpful 'public service' territory to blatantly ambush and (attempt to) smear a truly Independant truth-teller like Bill O'Reilly, they lose credibility with me. (Shame there's no emoticon for one Vulcan-style raised eyebrow)

Now, apart from that, the 'prod' had a different purpose entirely. If you want to reveal a person's complex, just push the 'button' (use a buzz-word) of their neurosis. Voila! So, the '2 lines' Kush was puzzled about?....not so difficult to recognize the affect now.

Paula ~ You are right that racism is a double-edged sword. It is used, and abused, by both sides to claim inequity and injustice. (Please tell us what the BNP is about,... and what have they done with St George's flag??) I'm somewhat bemused by your referring to me as "smug". If it is meant to be derogatory I can't see it that way. If unashamed confidence in one's knowledge and abilities, without pretence, is perceived as 'smug'...so be it. If I have not been diplomatic enough or feigned humility, it is simply an aversion to dishonesty.

Tony ~ Good question about the "poetry" here, beats me. You'd have to ask Paula H, who started this thing about Muffins or War, maybe she was trying for 'Poetic Justice'. I tried to make it a War on Muffins (carbs), but that one 'died in the bun'. :P

Heretic ~ You have been missed! And not just by me either. 8)

Byron ~ Your intimation that British papers owned by "friends of Tony Blair" are not telling the truth, needs serious explication. Unless you have inside knowledge of the administration, management and the motives and intentions of the editors and journalists of those papers, on what do you base such assumptions/suspicions? Since there must be some opposition papers, do you mean that unless all the papers assert your view, the ones which don't are 'untrustworthy'? Here in the US, the newspapers are overwhelmingly partisan against Republicans. To the point of telling lies, and smearing any way they can. It became so scandalous in California recently, subscribers to the offending newspapers were cancelling their subscriptions in droves as a protest. The New York Times and LA Times are a bad joke here now.

I Love this country, and its people; it has no problems that cannot be overcome. So long as good people continue to do what they Know to be right, all will be well.

Truth & Light :D
~Makera
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Makera. You have asked me to disclose where I find my views about newspaper owners. I have spent a lot of time in this forum pointing people in the direction of websites, which link to official UN reports, WHO reports, Fox News and other investigative journalism.
I only have to write the words BBC Radio 4, and I am instantly accused of attacking America. Now you want to know where I find such material. Haven't you been reading anything thoroughly from start to finish of what I have written for months and months?
For a very quick and simple way to see just a very small part of what goes on in the British Government, as told by a former high flying journalist, who gave up his job a few years ago, to take up a very senior position in the British Civil Service, go to the BBC home page. Search for BBC World's 24 hour Satelite News Station, find HardTalk, hosted by Tim Sebastian, and watch/listen to his interview with Martin Sixsmith. To use a colloquial term, you'll get it straight from the horse's mouth. Sixsmith went into his job with a strong belief in the impartiality and dignity of a hundred and fifty years of our civil service. He encountered political machinations performed by top government politicians, which he still finds hard to believe. Watch it and learn.
Makera, you strike me as being an intelligent person. I shall presume that you have had more than the usual primary and secondary education and probably been to college and/or university. If we take my assumption as correct, you will be well aware that in university, one does not get the spoon feeding education of one's earlier school years. One is asked questions and told to go and do one's research and come back with an armful of well researched, validated, primary and secondary resources to present in the form of essays, group seminars, or the one I particularly enjoyed, to stand up in front of a couple of hundred of your fellow students and give one's findings. Then, to be able to answer all and any questions which came at one, to prove that one really had 'done one's homework.'
I am accused by some of attacking american involvement in world affairs. You now ask me to tell you where I get the information. I've been telling you and the others where I get it, for as long as I've been a member of this board. You have a computer, so go and do some research yourself. It is very easy to sit and wait for someone to present their views, and then, and only then, start attacking them for telling you all where you can find all of this out for yourselves. Honestly, you cannot have your cake and it as well, which is exactly what you are advocating. You said americans fear criticism, and you are open minded, and then go on to attack NPR's content. Stop trying to have it both ways. Be pro-active and you WILL discover the same FACTS which I have been directing you all to.
I take some delight in Kush's response to me, because he has seen and understood the issues that he and I were discussing, for what they truly are. Matters for discussion and not personal asides. It is also obvious that he understands the spirit in which I wrote my response. Thank you Kush.
Who the hell is Bill O'Reilly? As Kush said above, we don't know all there is to know about each other.
Your turn to educate me about Mr O'Reilly.
Byron 'sends his regards.'

Paula will answer for herself. Admirably, as usual. :)
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Makera - The BNP British National Party and the NF National Front are extreme right wing "political" groups who have used the flag of St George and the Union Flag as a symbol of "pride" in their country but the fact that we are not a nation of flag wavers (in fact it is positively discouraged some councils have been known to take people to court for flying flags) has made it easier for the BNP and NF to taint the flags with their image.

Thank you for describing smug in the correct context and with the correct intonation. Perhaps you would care to describe egotistical and sanctimonious as well?
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Albert has just asked me if this is where he can get the honey. I had to disappoint the little fellow, but I was able to direct him to another thread where he will find some fresh syrup.
Byron 'sends his regards'


and Albert does too. :roll:
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~ [Slurp....just came from another thread :wink: :lol: ] ~

Kush ~

I was listening to NPR this morning, to an interview with the Operations coordinator [stays in Geneva] of Doctors Without Borders [DWB]. After the horrific and diabolical means that are beginning to be used ~ ambulances of the "Red[?] Crescent," etc. to attack the International Red Cross, and I think they said police vehicles, as well, et al......the DWB are evaluating and assessing if they should pull out of Iraq completely, in part, or not at all. It is of great concern for them, and they are trying to determine the appropriate balance between their purpose and their own security, without which their purpose will become, quite possibly, moot. Being in your field, I'm not sure if these kinds of news items are brought to you, or if you may have heard it on the news already, yourself.

Also, did they share at work [or did you see it yourself on the Internet], the news item about fish in the lakes is Texas showing up with Prozac in their systems? Apparently, the processing plants are not eliminating the Prozac and other pharmaceuticals with similar compounds, before the waste is being dumped back into the lakes. At the conference, where these findings were being discussed, many of the attendees were apparently joking quite a bit about whether the fish were happy and mellow, rather than the serious implications about our water and what may be in it, in this case with regard to psychotropics. The measurements were not at therapeutic levels [for humans], but who's to say for a fish. And, of course, long-term ingestion by humans could have deleterious effects, regardless.

These two news items were of interest to me. [I'm working on the rhyme and the meter here, Tony :lol: ].

~ Lizzytysh
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I didn't realise that matters were so bad over there in America. It must be a real worry for parents knowing that there are people who are only too ready to prey on their children as soon as they leave home and go out into the big grown up world, where even now, in places of learning, there are openly socialist academics. Openly socialist !!
Is there no level to which such pariahs will not stoop. To actually stand (or sit, as the case may be) in front of groups of young innocent and impressionable minds and openly declare that "I am a socialist."

Well, I have to tell you that many years ago, I too dabbled in the political pool, and was one of the original supporters of Screaming Lord Such's 'Monster Raving Loony Party.'
Lord Such died a couple of years ago and his legacy remains in a much more miniscule form than heretofore, sad to say. :cry:

I will have you know as well, that several prominent, past and present, members of the British Conservative Party also went to university, where they too belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain, the youth wing of the British Labour Party and other left wing parties. They engaged in active political campaigning, but as they grew older, and got well paid jobs, they tended to lose some of their earlier fervour for matters 'socialist.'
Therefore, can we say that a healthy interest in any form of political debate will not harm young, innocent and impressionable minds? Perhaps it stretches their minds enough for them to appreciate 'the other side's' point of view? What do you think?
Answers on a sticky label, attached to a jar of honey and addressed to Albert please.

Byron 'sends his regards.'

To those who doubt the existence of the 'Monster Raving Loony Party' it did exist. I hope it still does. We need eccentrics in this mad world. :?

OK look here if you doubt me.

http://www.omrlp.com/
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Shit happens Lizzytysh. All the time. I'm glad to see the conference attendees have a sense of humor. I thought it was pretty funny too.
I'm also certain there was more to the conference but it was completely in character for you (or was it NPR?) to highlight that little tidbit. :) You'd be horrified at some of the jokes I make at work.....but then I don't have to play by your rules (do I have to pay Paula royalty for those lines?)

p.s. Glad to see p/H back in business. Although he is in some serious danger of being actually liked.
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Boy, I'll say "schitt" happens, Kush. Guess that's what I get for trying to share a bit of the humourous aspects. Of "damm" course the attendees talked about a tad bit more than the humourous aspects ~ duh. [Actually, I'm certain they spent thousands in rental fees and refreshments for a humour fest.] You'll [apparently :roll: ] be :shock: yourself to learn that NPR actually did give it more thorough coverage than I excerpted, for what I mistakenly thought might be of simple interest to you, if you didn't already know ~ just a bit of sharing, y'know, here on the corner. It came quite without value judgements on the humour aspect. Guess you leave your sense of humour on the job, though. [Of course, now that I've seen your blatantly-cavalier response, I see where your own, environmental concerns may quite possibly lie, i.e. Prozac'd out at the bottom o' the lake, lookin' up at the bluegills.]

Actually, my understanding is that it's not the pharmaceutical companies that are the source of the "run-off," but that the water-treatment plants are missing the Prozac [and similar compounds] that are getting into the water, via the drug residuals being excreted through people's urine, and the pills simply being flushed down the toilets. From what I was able to gather, the concern centered around upgrading the water-purification plants, so as not to miss these compounds.

Incidentally, I've heard far too much to be :shock: horrified :shock: by anything that might come out of your mouth "humorously," Kush. I've been in the field too long, and know all about "coping humour" in the workplace ~ be it sexual abuse, sexual assault, child abuse, homicide, HIV, germ warfare, firemen, policemen, whatever[!], even September 11, 2001, brought a bit of "coping," "black humour" along with it, right here in my workplace......between me and my friend, Ron.......oh my oh my oh my........[faint]. Your jokes [no matter what they are] couldn't hold a candle to some I've heard. Or, shall we compare mythologies? Did we get up on the wrong side of the bed, or are we at the wrong end of a microscope? I'm rather amazed, by those who act as if others are somehow less than fully intelligent; not to mention those who appear to think they patented the universe.

While you're speaking of "schitt," please keep your "schitt"-y hands away from my character. You were not invited to her party, and you know nothing about her. And, yes, do make the check out to Paula :roll: . Gee, what a new concept your first sentence is :roll: . And to think I was actually looking forward to your response when I saw your name here :( .

~ Elizabeth

P.S. There. I feel better. [& you?] Be sure to get a good night's sleep tonight.
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Kush,

Welcome to the Club.


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Hi Kush,
Welcome back, Miranda, ditto (I noticed you hadn't been here for a while).
As for the preceding venom... fascinating, Byron. It's a shame my posts were not read as written, but that is just another symptom of what has been exposed. Interesting how an observation and experience of cultural difference between Americans and Australians on dealing with disagreement/argument (in general subjects) gets used to justify another's personal agenda and political resentments. e.g. My statement that Americans 'want to be liked' was spun into Americans "fear criticism"! So, is this the Anglo variation of a 'rigidly partisan idealogue' and the tactics of choice! The name-calling by proxy (convenient ally) is a nice touch. From, "smug","rigid" and "patronizing", to "egotistical" and "sanctimonious". Ah, the "kingly titles" are adding up, William Blake would be proud!
I guess the American "Fox News Channel" (cable) must only show programmes like "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox Sky News in the UK. I know O'Reilly is seen in the UK by the e-mails he gets. These also have websites.

Truth, Love & Light,
~Makera~

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I don't get it...who had the party and who was the party for and why wasn't Kush invited?

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And this too shall pass. :D
Actually I thought that bit was pretty good "Prozac'd out at the bottom o' the lake, lookin' up at the bluegills".

Good to see you back Miranda. Now all we need is Suzanne and Mr. Ed back.
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Yes, Kush :D it shall, and it has 8) .....as a matter of fact, I got a good night's sleep myself :wink: . I thought it was kinda interesting the way that you/lake scenario thing came together, too :shock: ~ I appreciate that you enjoyed it. Thanks :) .

~ Elizabeth

As a matter of fact, it is good to see both Miranda and Moonlight back 8) . [Heretic, too ~ but keep that under wraps :wink: ]. Add to your list Linda, too :) .
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