I would like some help with an experiment

[Diane]

I had that, Jack! "Lazy eye" I mean. I had to have an operation on my eye when I was five years old to correct it. I'm not sure if they still do such an operation these days. They took my eye out of its socket as part of the operation. I thought that was really gross and even though I was only five the medical staff could not make me remain still for the aneasthetic so in the end they had to trick me into taking something orally to knock me out for the op. I've never much liked hospitals since. They are full of machines that go 'ping'. These days I still have this inability for both my eyes to look in the same place. They do actually look in the same place, I'm not cross-eyed, because the brain 'corrects' for the mistake. But if the optician 'separates' my eyes using some machine that makes one eye think the other eye is closed (don't know exactly how it works), then two 'lines' on the screen the optician has in front of me are not aligned as they should be, but some way apart. Maybe people whose eyes separate don't have both sides of their brain connected properly.

Did you have to have that operation?

I am not up to discussing the wave particle duality of light.

Speaking of weird brains, there was a program I just caught on the TV tonight about Tourette's Syndrome, and its link with schizoprenia and creativity. Fascinating. It followed the story of the musical drive of a man with Tourette's, and explained how highly creative people often have an excess of dopamine in their brain, which causes 'sensory overload', high energy, and the loose association between things that we call creativity. High creativity is close to mental chaos, and this excess of dopamine helps explain the link between genuis and madness. Oops, that story is only loosely associated with ears.

Diane

[Manna]

My daughter had a lazy eye operation when she was 2, or maybe she'd just turned three then. They said that her muscle was too long on one side, so they had this operation to shorten it, but visualizing that was pretty hard for me to do. How do you shorten a muscle? I could understand if they needed to lengthen one.

[lizzytysh]

My guess would be that you snip the muscle and then restitch it... the same as they did with a dog of mine once, when her inner layer of stitches had broken open, after the outer ones... and her intestines spilled onto the dirt inside the cave she had dug and loved to stay in... and had gone to after it appeared safe for her to be outside. I couldn't, and then the two vet assistants who came to my house, also couldn't help to get her out. When we finally did, the tissue of a relatively large portion of her intestines had 'died' and the vet operated to remove the putrified section and stitch up the newly created, two ends. She, unfortunately, died of shock overnight. I know that's a gruesome example, but it's the first one I thought of... I'm guessing it's the same principle.


~ Lizzy

[lazariuk]

Did you have to have that operation?

I am not up to discussing the wave particle duality of light.

There is no duality. Light is waves.

I had an operation, don't know if it was that one. Anyway either way I felt that it was a mistake and I should have left well enough alone.

The operation was done on both eyes and done in such a way that the sutures were left in on both sides of both eyes. After I managed to get my eyes opened they played with the sutures like controls for hosizontal and vertical sync till we felt that they got it right and then tied them off.

Getting my eyes open after the operation was somewhat painful but I finally managed to do it and opened my eyes with blood coming out of them and rolling across my face and the first thing I saw was the woman watching me and tears were pouring out of her eyes. She was feeling sad for me.

[Diane]

http://webs.morningside.edu/slaven/Phys ... inty2.html

Hell, that sounds really unpleasant. I don't think my eyes were bleeding after I came around from the op,which was on only one eye. I have also always thought my operation was unecessary, but I could be wrong.

[lazariuk]

Hell, that sounds really unpleasant. I don't think my eyes were bleeding after I came around from the op,which was on only one eye. I have also always thought my operation was unecessary, but I could be wrong.

It was a relaitively new procedure and wasn't really all that unpleasant, at least compared to all the other stuff I have gone through in hospitals. The bleeding eyes made for quite a sight though. I think I was a little hard to look at.

When I went into the hospital I was in the middle of some big business deal and while in the hospital all the other parties to the deal got together and decided that they would work together to take away all the ways that I would be advantaged by the deal. I wasn't in such a good mood when I got out and so the meeting we had for them to inform me of the changes didn't last very long and I just told them to fuck off and quickly found another group that were happy to take their place. You don't mess with a guy with blood running out of his eyes.

Oh and Diane I know the standard line on wave and particle. There are other ways that it is considered
http://quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_point.html

[Diane]

I wouldn't have been in a good mood either.

You don't mess with a guy with blood running out of his eyes.

Well, that's true.

I have that Rainbow song, Stargazer (Rainbow Rising) going around in my head. My eyes are bleeding, and my heart is weeping. That is one of the best songs ever. Music with guts.

du 4/3 pi (c/H)3 (m a G) /[c2r]

That's funny, I was only discussing that formula, and its implications, with a colleague yesterday.

Diane

[daka]

Cool Thread

I agree with you Diane, a paperback will be halpful.

And Greg, it is nice to know you, you have my respect.

And to Diane, nice to know that you can keep up with these characters, I'm not so sure I can.

And Manna, thanks for the desperately needed comic relief.

And jack, thanks for the steer to the thread!

What is unnerving and slightly scary is that I know a lot of what Greg has talked about through personal experience, on LSD and off LSD, pre-Buddhist and post Buddhist.

I was scared shitless when I saw my mind/the world on LSD. And it seems confirmed, what I suspected, that this was the unveiled truth-of-suffering (of which Buddha spoke).

I thought my reading list was nicely whittled down. Now I'm not so sure, it looks a little long! I have never read many of these people.

Maybe soon science can just plug me up to Greg. (reminds me a bit of the movie "The Matrix".

I am still trying to figure out if those Matrix movies were made by a bunch of Buddhists on bad acid, or a bunch of acidheads on bad Buddhism.

Food for thought

All good things

daka

[daka]

Oh I forgot to say to you Greg

If you were a woman
I would come down
the mountain
and marry you
I would then
never again
be accused by my wife
of having nothing
to talk about.

but then again
your avatar looks
a little cute
maybe i could become
a 'switch-hitter'
might be a bit easier
than becoming
a Buddha

(please don't take me seriously!)
There are some golden rules
I couldn't break

daka

[Diane]

Thanks for bringing this up to the top again, Daka. Yes, Greg is quite something isn't he. Thank god it's not an intellectual trip to the ultimate truth!

[daka]

Thanks for bringing this up to the top again, Daka. Yes, Greg is quite something isn't he. Thank god it's not an intellectual trip to the ultimate truth!

Thank Jack
I think God
Is getting his orders
From jack

daka

[Manna]

Thank Jack
I think God
Is getting his orders
From jack

daka

Oh, gimme a break, D. I know you're madly in love with Jack, but this is a little too far, eh?

[lazariuk]

Thank Jack
I think God
Is getting his orders
From jack

daka

Oh, gimme a break, D. I know you're madly in love with Jack, but this is a little too far, eh?

I've been used before to make an other jealous but I think this is the first time I have ever been used to make God jealous.

[daka]

If he exists, and he is perfect,
he has an Irish sense of humor!
So he will chuckle!

daka

[Cate]

Hi Jack

I have a few requests.

Do you take requests - I hope so - I promise to keep them extremely frivolous.

1. Cadbury cream eggs - I can not resist them - their centre is very gooey - I won't go into detail but I like them a lot. Could you either help me resist them or make them non-fattening. I'm seeing them everywhere and my husband brings them home to me.

2. There is a chipmunk who lives in neighbors backyard who has been very grumpy in the morning and makes all kinds of noise - isn't he supposed to be hibernating maybe you could have a talk about sleep with this guy.

3. If we have another snow storm tomorrow I can have the day off - so I'd like a snow storm as well please, if it's not to much bother.

Thank you in advance

Cate