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LisaLCFan wrote:
>I recently had the great pleasure of hearing a live performance of one of your -- Geoffrey's -- favourite pieces of classical music: Paganini's delightful Violin Concerto No. 1.

good to learn you had the great pleasure of hearing a live paganini concert - so lucky you are! that anyone can play the final solo minutes of the 'allegro maestoso' piece is almost beyond comprehension, and partly explains why he was believed to have made a 'deal with the devil'. the reason other musicians found some of his work so difficult to play was, of course, because he frequently used what is known as 'scordatura' ('non-traditional') tuning. franz liszt, who was divinely fortunate enough to attend one of paganini's concerts, said: "it was like listening to something from another world."

>After the concert, I was so inspired by all of the wonderful music and musicianship that I had experienced, that I rushed home and played my beautiful Romantic guitar well into the wee hours . . .

i can understand that you were inspired after kerson leong's concert, and yes, bach is also great! having worked in a lutheran state church for several years i heard many organists playing his 'toccata . . .'. yes, music can be endlessly enriching - regardless of the genre.
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by the way, if i may deviate for a second, there is a lot of hype about the new 'frankenstein' (2025) movie. very well made (mary shelley would have approved), but too long and predictable, not that great - i was glad when the end credits started rolling up the screen. on the other hand 'companion' (also 2025) was more my cup of tea - i didn't want it to end.
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Geoffrey wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 7:02 pm ...a version of how paganini appeared on stage...

...that anyone can play the final solo minutes of the 'allegro maestoso' piece is almost beyond comprehension...

Fun picture of Paganini -- he does look "otherworldly" with his long, slim body and wild mannerisms, and it must have been quite the experience to see him in action!  He was certainly one of the first "rock stars" of classical music, and the rumours and stories that circulated about him were genuinely bizarre, not least of which was the most famous one, as you noted, of his having made a pact with the Devil in order to be able to play the way he did! I also rather like the rumour that Paganini killed at least one woman, made violin strings out of her intestines, and imprisoned her soul within his violin -- so marvellously gruesome (but also highly unlikely...).

It is interesting that some of the technical challenges that composers like Paganini wrote back in the day are now much less daunting and more accessible to a greater number of instrumentalists, compared to when they were first written and only a few could master them. When these fiendishly difficult pieces of music were written, the techniques and styles required to play them were quite new, often created for the music itself, and sometimes based on the exceptional skills of the composers, many of whom were also gifted instrumentalists (or possessed by the Devil, depending on who you talk to!). Nowadays, there are children and young adults who can play these difficult pieces to perfection, but, for me, that makes it no less astonishing.

It was incredible to watch Kerson Leong's fingers and bow moving so fast in some of those passages of the Paganini Concerto, and to hear the otherworldly sounds coming out of his violin. The cadenza was particularly awe-inspiring: Leong played Émile Sauret's cadenza, which is probably what you were referring to when you mentioned the last few minutes of the "allegro maestoso".* The whole thing was truly breathtaking: when the concerto came to an end, I almost felt exhausted and I was literally breathless from the intensity of it (for I know that I stopped breathing -- held my breath -- several times during Leong's amazing performance, as I intently focussed on what he was doing).

* There is no existing cadenza written by Paganini for his first violin concerto, for he most likely improvised it when he performed the concerto himself, and thus he never bothered to write anything down, but the one composed by Émile Sauret -- which is considered the most difficult to play -- is quite popular, and it brilliantly showcases the virtuosity of the soloist (if they are up to the task!). 

For those who may not be familiar with the term, a cadenza is a solo passage within a concerto, of an improvised (or seemingly improvised) and virtuosic character, often played towards the end of a movement, although it can appear elsewhere in a work.  Historically, it was usually the custom for the soloist performing a concerto to make up their own cadenzas, for not all composers wrote them down. Even if a composer did write a cadenza, soloists always had the right to use their own, if they were so inclined. For some of the most famous concertos from the past -- including Paganini's Violin Concerto No.1 -- various other musicians and composers wrote down and published cadenzas that became popular: for example, both Beethoven and Brahms wrote cadenzas for some of Mozart's piano concertos, and their versions are still played today.

A lot of contemporary soloists play existing cadenzas when they perform pieces (not all instrumentalists are exceptional composers/improvisors), but there are some who make up their own cadenzas when they perform concertos:  last year, I attended a couple of concerts of Beethoven's five Piano Concertos, and the soloist, Marc-André Hamelin, played cadenzas of his own for the first four concertos, which made it very interesting, hearing brand new sections of music in works that I otherwise knew so well. For the most part, Hamelin's cadenzas are very good. Beethoven did actually write out and publish cadenzas for his piano concertos, which, of course, are spectacular, and most performers choose to play them rather than trying to compose their own, but Bravo to Hamelin for creating his own versions!

Onto movies! I started watching the new Frankenstein film on the weekend, but I only got a few minutes into it before deciding that it was not for me: there was far more graphic violence than I was willing to tolerate, and I did not wish to see any more of it. I do enjoy the occasional horror flick, but I have to be in the mood for it, and the (arguably) gratuitous and hyper-realistic depiction of violence generally does not appeal to me.

Psychological horror movies tend to be amongst my favourites (although they can be rather harrowing!).  I loved Hugh Grant in last year's "Heretic": the psychological elements of the film -- as well as the often very witty dialogue -- were a delight, and Hugh Grant was absolutely perfect, with a combination of charm and menace. Have you seen it?  I am sure that you would be amused by some of the themes in the discussion amongst the characters during the first half of the film!

"Companion" sounds like fun -- I will have to add it to my list.
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what a wonderfully rich and engaging message - a great read! so good to be in touch with someone who really knows and appreciates paganini. you write with such enthusiasm and excitement that i had to go through it several times. you are far ahead of me concerning knowledge of musical jargon.

about films: graphic violence doesn't bother me too much, but it needs to be justified, not added simply for the type of shock value that directors frequently include in order to satisfy teenage viewers. you have made me curious to watch 'heretic', and will do so in the near future.

thank you, lisa, for sharing another delightful message. everything you write should be published in book form. that you share your thoughts here on this forum makes us privileged people.

circumstances are beginning to steal my 'free' time again - but i'm doing my best to run from the tide :)
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Geoffrey wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 3:25 am ...thank you, lisa, for sharing another delightful message...

"i'm junk but i'm still holding up this little wild bouquet."
My pleasure! I always enjoy talking/writing about classical music (and all things related to it) -- it is one of my greatest passions!

I like your flower drawing -- very cute and colourful! Cheers!
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G and L,

Flute instead of violin--Mr. Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull.

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Proud of both of you for guessing the "L Word" awahile back, but I expected nothing less.

Regarding Frankenstein, what are your opinions of Mel Brooks' film "Young Frankenstein"?

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its4inthemorning wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:47 pm Flute instead of violin--Mr. Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull...

Regarding Frankenstein, what are your opinions of Mel Brooks' film "Young Frankenstein"?
There is some superficial physical resemblance between Paganini and Anderson in those two pictures.

I have never seen "Young Frankenstein" (I'm not into Mel Brooks' movies -- I have seen parts of a few of them, but his particular type of humour does not appeal to me). What is your "opinion" of it?

Incidentally, I always avoid having "opinions": to me, an opinion is nothing more than an unjustified belief, not based on evidence or reason or experience or anything else. As far as I'm concerned, people who have "opinions" (those who are "opinionated") create their beliefs out of thin air, holding them with stubborn conviction, depsite having absolutely no evidence (nor any other good reasons) to support them (and, often in the face of very strong evidence to the contrary).

I prefer having thoughts and ideas and beliefs based on evidence, examination, reflection, reason and logic, considerable personal experiences and knowledge, and even on my own feelings (after introspection), etc., but I would never call anything that I think, say, or write an "opinion", because I have an extremely low assessment of "opinions". I am always somewhat offended when I express my thoughts and beliefs, and somebody says, "Well, that's just your opinion", because it is never an "opinion" at all, but a well-considered thought or idea, or even a statement of fact, based on research and current human knowledge.

However, I am aware that other people use the word "opinion" a lot (in my experience), both to describe their own thoughts and ideas as well as the thoughts and ideas of others, but (it is my hope) that they probably don't define the word in the limited and negative the way that I do, for I suspect that most people have never deeply examined what it means to have an "opinion" versus holding other more justified and reasonable types of thoughts, beliefs and ideas. I do sometimes have the (probably very annoying and perhaps somewhat pedantic) habit of giving people this little lecture on "opinions" (I am certain that I have done so on this forum on more than one occasion, when I have been accused of having "opinions" -- perish the thought!), but it strikes me as something that people might want to consider before casually tossing about the word "opinion" without thinking about what it really means (at least, to those who choose their words -- and form their ideas -- carefully).

Those are my thoughts for the day. Cheers! 8)
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LisaLCFan wrote: Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:14 pm
its4inthemorning wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:47 pm Flute instead of violin--Mr. Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull...

Regarding Frankenstein, what are your opinions of Mel Brooks' film "Young Frankenstein"?
There is some superficial physical resemblance between Paganini and Anderson in those two pictures.

I have never seen "Young Frankenstein" (I'm not into Mel Brooks' movies -- I have seen parts of a few of them, but his particular type of humour does not appeal to me). What is your "opinion" of it?

Incidentally, I always avoid having "opinions": to me, an opinion is nothing more than an unjustified belief, not based on evidence or reason or experience or anything else. As far as I'm concerned, people who have "opinions" (those who are "opinionated") create their beliefs out of thin air, holding them with stubborn conviction, depsite having absolutely no evidence (nor any other good reasons) to support them (and, often in the face of very strong evidence to the contrary).
Hi Lisa,

Two images portraying men playing musical instruments whilst standing on one leg with the other raised and bent at the knee would seem to bear a striking, not a superficial, resemblance. But why quibble?

To me Young Frankenstein is a marvelous comedy, a spoof of the 1930s horror films we watched and scared ourselves with as children. To appear authentic, it was filmed in black and white, a somewhat brave decision in an era of technicolor. Like all of Brooks' movies, the comedic elements were a mix of slapstick and subtle humor, and Brooks was never afraid to shock the audience every now and then with politically incorrect scenes and lines. Gene Wilder's performance was one of his best, and Marty Feldman, Madeline Kahn, and Cloris Leachman provided many laughs, at least for me. I wouldn't want to go on a steady diet of Mel Brooks for my comedic needs, but his films fill a need every now and then.

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about 'young frankenstein': i have only seen snippets on youtube, some marty feldman bits. it looks like a fun film, and got 8.0 points on the IMDb! for some reason i've never got around to watching the entire movie. perhaps i'll do so when the right moment arrives. apart from that, it's so nice to have you come in and participate in this thread; there are plenty of empty seats here ;)
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its4inthemorning wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 4:23 pm ...Two images portraying men playing musical instruments whilst standing on one leg with the other raised and bent at the knee would seem to bear a striking, not a superficial, resemblance...
Superficial, definition: existing or occurring at or on the surface; outward appearance. Therefore, when two different things or two different people look similar, physically, one can accurately say that they resemble each other superficially (i.e. on the surface). There can even be a striking superficial similarity between two different people, as there is in those two particular images of Paganini and Anderson, in which they very coincidentally share a similar physical appearance (if one were to look at a different picture of Anderson, there could easily be absolutely no superficial similarity notable between the two men). My use of superficial thus merely referred to their physical appearance in those two pictures, which I specifically noted.

its4inthemorning wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 4:23 pm ...Young Frankenstein is a marvelous comedy, a spoof of the 1930s horror films we watched and scared ourselves with as children...
"We"? Unfortunately, not me -- I never watched 1930's horror films as a child, and I'm not even sure how I could have done so, even if I had wanted to. If they were on TV when I was a kid, I wasn't aware of them, but had I been, I might have watched them -- that could have been a lot of fun! However, I did sometimes sneak to the TV in the wee hours to watch reruns of The Outer Limits, The Twilight Zone, and Star Trek, which were sometimes a bit scary, for a little kid. Something else we had in Canada on TV late at night were "blue movies" -- softcore porn/erotica -- and sometimes I'd check them out, mostly for laughs, because they struck me as silly. My friends did the same, and we'd giggle about it the next day.

its4inthemorning wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 4:23 pm ...Young Frankenstein...was filmed in black and white, a somewhat brave decision in an era of technicolor. Like all of Brooks' movies, the comedic elements were a mix of slapstick and subtle humor, and Brooks was never afraid to shock the audience every now and then with politically incorrect scenes and lines. Gene Wilder's performance was one of his best, and Marty Feldman, Madeline Kahn, and Cloris Leachman provided many laughs...
Thank you for this additional information. "Young Frankenstein" sounds like it could be fun -- if I come across it, I may check it out. Cheers!
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there is no english word for a male ballet dancer.
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there was recent discussion about similarities between a sketch of paganini and a modern flautist. below is the picture that inspired the paganini sketch. as one can see, the drawing i posted is far from original - merely a variation from a 2013 book cover. i do enjoy reading everyone's messages :)
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Geoffrey wrote: Fri Nov 28, 2025 12:03 am ...below is the picture that inspired the paganini sketch. as one can see, the drawing i posted is far from original - merely a variation from a 2013 book cover...
That book cover image of Paganini is a variation from an original drawing by Johann Peter Lyser (1804-1870). Lyser was a well-known illustrator who sometimes drew famous musicians, incuding Paganini and Beethoven.

Here is the original drawing by Johann Peter Lyser, which is quite a lot of fun and plays upon the myth that Paganini was some sort of sorcerer/devil's violinist.
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>That book cover image of Paganini is a variation from an original drawing by Johann Peter Lyser (1804-1870). Lyser was a well-known illustrator who sometimes drew famous musicians, incuding Paganini and Beethoven.
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>Here is the original drawing by Johann Peter Lyser, which is quite a lot of fun and plays upon the myth that Paganini was some sort of sorcerer/devil's violinist.
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that is a jolly interesting sketch, with a lot of little doodles to study; thank you! the person who designed the book cover did a marvelous job of cleaning up the figure of paganini, i must say.

i don't know anyone here in my social circle who knows anything about paganini's work or who has even heard of him. but mention football or cake recipes and they'll produce a fountain of details. such is the hardship of a cultured gentleman living amongst philistines. ;)

just watched woody allen's 'match point' (2005). lots of great music!
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Geoffrey wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 7:02 pm ...there is a lot of hype about the new 'frankenstein' (2025) movie. very well made (mary shelley would have approved), but too long and predictable, not that great - i was glad when the end credits started rolling up the screen...
LisaLCFan wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 12:13 am I started watching the new Frankenstein film on the weekend, but I only got a few minutes into it before deciding that it was not for me: there was far more graphic violence than I was willing to tolerate...

Update: I watched the whole movie -- Frankenstein (2025). I was intrigued enough to give it another chance. After the opening scene, the violence was only sporadic, and the film focussed more on the story, and that was better. It was sad -- I felt sorry for Frankenstein's creation: he was one of a kind, and very alone. I can relate.

I did find myself wondering when Victor Frankenstein had time to work out -- in the movie, he was very ripped, and yet, in the movie, one did not get the impression that he was a "gym rat". Speaking of nice physiques, his creation has very nice long legs 8).

I have never actually read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein -- I plan to rememdy that in the near future!

Geoffrey wrote: Mon Dec 01, 2025 11:11 am that is a jolly interesting sketch, with a lot of little doodles to study; thank you! the person who designed the book cover did a marvelous job of cleaning up the figure of paganini, i must say.

i don't know anyone here in my social circle who knows anything about paganini's work or who has even heard of him...
It is, indeed, a jolly interesting sketch -- I figured you'd like it -- I like the ghostly figures on the bottom right (and everything else, too!). And, yes, whoever designed the book cover added a lot of nice details to Paganini!

As for Paganini and many other classical music composers: I love classical music, and I know quite a bit about it and the composers who wrote it -- it is always my pleasure to "talk" about it!

Cheers!
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