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There are some men

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:33 pm
by danceme1000times
Never ever related these two before...."There are some men" and " As the Mist" any connection?

Re: There are some men

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:05 am
by Cate
THERE ARE SOME MEN

There are some men
who should have mountains
to bear their names to time.

Grave markers are not high enough
or green,
and sons go far away
to lose the fist
their father’s hand will always seem.

I had a friend:
he lived and died in mighty silence
and with dignity,
left no book son or lover to mourn.

Nor is this a mourning-song
but only a naming of this mountain
on which I walk,
fragrant, dark and softly white
under the pale of mist.
I name this mountain after him.

(L. Cohen)
AS THE MIST LEAVES NO SCAR

As the mist leaves no scar
On the dark green hill,
So my body leaves no scar
On you, nor ever will.

When wind and hawk encounter,
What remains to keep?
So you and I encounter,
Then turn, then fall to sleep.

As many nights endure
Without a moon or star,
So will we endure
When one is gone and far.

(L. Cohen)
I'm not sure - my first reaction was no but when I when I went back to read, I see that you may have a point.
To be honest, I've never liked There are some Men, but just now I read it a couple of times to compare and I think it's growing on me. I'm curious now as well. Beneath My Hands directly follows as the Mist leaves no Scar, I think it is directly connected. The lines I dread the time when your mouth begins to call me hunter - is especially powerful considering the poem it has just followed.

Beneath My Hands ("In my hands, your small breasts ...") from "The Spice-Box of Earth" http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/poem.html

Re: There are some men

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:39 pm
by danceme1000times
Guess its all in the interpretation, always thought As the Mist was about a woman...only now do I consider it possible might be a man.