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Paula, you keep on bringing back the memories :lol: First it was Alfred E Newman, now Paddy McGinty's Goat. My parents had that Val Doonican LP, and I loved the lines

"A leg at every corner, balancing his head,
And a tail to let you know which end he wanted to be fed"

also the one about being "temporarily lazy and permanently tired"

True poetry :lol:

Oops, I think I just blundered :oops: I think that was Delaney's Donkey, not Paddy McGinty's Goat at all :shock:
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Linmag - they don't write songs like that anymore do they :lol:

Delaney's Donkey is on the CD as well and Two Streets.

Rock Rose I have a confession to make I did used to like Val Doonigan :oops: I used to go to Irish pubs in my youth and in between "Kevin Barry" and "Wild Rover" there were snippets of Val Doonigan and The Pogues I love Irish music.

Love were an American band and you would know some of their songs if you heard them "Anmoragain" and "A house is not a home" very sixties flower power music.

Interesting to know "Lemon Hair Ladies" was about Mia Farrow. I was never quite sure how Andre Previn managed to get Mia Farrow she was beautiful and he was quite plain.

Lizzie I am now gonna have to alter my Will I had you down for my Max Bygraves compilation LP :lol:

Margaret TWO Vince Hill LPs. One could be accidental but two seems to be deliberate and I think you are using your mother-in-law as a scapegoat for your previous musical tastes :lol: I can't think of one song Vince Hill did let alone enough for two LPs.
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Hi again Paula

I like the Pogues too. As a fan of Irish music what do you think of The Saw Doctors? I've seen them live loads of times and their concerts are just WILD!!!! :lol:

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Hi Lizzytysh

Just been on google and listened to some snippets of Chi Coltrane - particularly liked The Wheel of Life from the Golden Classics album. She reminds me of Carole King a bit.

Hope alls well

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Hi Rock Rose ~ Yes, all's well with me. Thank you.

I'm glad you've listened some to Chi. I can understand your Carole King comparison. There are some songs ["Thunder and Lightning," for one] that, even though there will only be one Janis Joplin, Chi is definitely headed her direction and more away from Carole :lol: . "Let It Ride" is another fine song. "Forget Love" begins with chimes so lightly that you must be still to be certain that's what you're hearing. "I Will Not Dance To Your Music" has a strong political theme. I've only heard the two albums that I have, so can't speak to the apparent many that she's produced since I first learned of her. "The Wheel of Life" is, indeed, a good song. "I Take My Troubles to the Tree" is one that anyone who turns to nature, during times of sorrow, heartbreak, loss, can relate to.

Thanks for taking the time to check her out :) .

I hope you're doing okay, too.

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OK, Paula, since I'm certain the old adage is, "No good deed shall go unpunished," :wink: I realize I also need to make my plans now, just in case I go first.

Not being British [as I'm sure I've mentioned at some point previously :lol: ], I just don't know where the dregs begin and where they end. I'll search through my collection, however, just to be sure you're not left feeling out in the cold. Better to be covered by rubbish than left to the mercy of the elements, right? ON that note, I'll see what I can dig up, that you can then bequeath to your children and grandchildren. And in the grand ol' style of Margaret, someone can blame it on somebody :wink: !

All that said, Margaret, it's just time for you to fess up.....I mean, TWO!?! I don't even have to know the "artist" [apparently that's the loose term of the evening :lol: ].

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Hi Rock Rose - I have never seen the Saw Doctors live - although I have heard it said before they are a good live band. I saw the Chieftans and Them (when Van Morrison was with them). Irish music is just so full of energy. But I love things like "Danny Boy" and "The Jolly Ploughboy" too.

My tastes span a ridiculous spectrum anything from Nat King Cole, Bob Marley, Bee Gees, Abba, John Prine, Dylan to Enimen but I don't like jazz or classical. Jazz seems to confuse my brain cells :lol:

It is strange that Leonard is my one and only true favourite bearing in mind the massive void between Leonard and Val Doonigan. :?

Lizzie don't think you can off load your bad music tastes on me I am gonna have enough trouble getting rid of my own :lol:
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Hi Paula and Rock Rose~

Once the pyre is going good, what's a few more, is how I look at it :twisted: ~ not to mention I'd do the same for you :roll: .

I've heard the Waterboys and I love their energy. In the dance world, the Irish lend new meaning to the theatrical well-wishing of "break a leg." :shock:

"Danny Boy" ~ how could anyone not love "Danny Boy" 8) [though I guess some could manage :? ]. I've never heard or heard of "The Jolly Ploughboy" ~ it sounds like it may have to do with the humble and loving acceptance of one's fate. In which case, it sounds like a song I'd love.

I thought of you last night, Paula, when I saw "8 Mile" ~ Eminem's movie, as I'm certain you know :wink: ~ on sale. I was seriously tempted [seriously, as a learning experience], but had to prioritize my cash. Maybe I'll see it again there, and spring for it.....and start deciding how to best explain its presence in my vcr collection :shock: . I'd also have to watch that it didn't start an uprising amongst my other videos :wink: .

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Hi Lizzie - actually "The Jolly Ploughboy" is an irish rebel song in praise of the IRA. The irish pubs I went into in my youth played a constant flow of irish rebel songs and took collection round the bar for the cause. I didn't realise the undercurrent. Now I am older and wiser I know I should have avoided those places like the plague.

"I was so much younger then I'm older than that now.".

You haven't lived until you have been escorted home by a load of drunken irish (and one English) people singing "I'll take you home again Cathleen".

I haven't seen 8 mile yet if you see it before me let me know what it was like. :D
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:D And you with the red hair, Paula Cathleen 8) ~ :D That trip to Ireland was well spent, eh?

Oh dear, don't make me go and put my money on the counter for that tape :lol: ! I'll let fate answer for me.....if it's still there...... :!: And, who else could be more interested in my opinion of it :lol: :arrow: I'll let you know, Pronto :wink: ! I haven't given up yet...... :wink:

Wow, the song sure has a deceptive title, eh? Yeah, there are a few places I wouldn't revisit from my lifetime, even though they each brought their own lesson[s].
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Hallo to you both Lizzy and Paula :)

I think it's healthy to have a diverse taste in music and not be focused on a particular type or a particular artist/band. If you enjoy listening to Val Doonican Paula, that's the main thing and you shouldn't be embarrassed by that fact. :wink:
I agree with you about Jazz - I'm not very keen on it either. Jazz fans will probably throw up their hands in horror but to me it's just a discordant sound. Van Morrison has gone a bit too jazzy for my liking lately but I still think that he is a great artist.

There is something about Irish music that stirs the blood. Scottish music too - anyone into that?

I see that quite a few people are 'owning up' to embarassing items in their music collections. I confess here and now to having a Darius CD :oops: but hasten to add that it was my daughter that bought it for me (I think she really wanted it for herself). As you are not British Lizzy you probably wont know who he is but he is very popular just now with the 10 - 14 age group. Gosh - you know I really feel bad even mentioning his name in Leonard's Forum :oops: Who said that confession is good for the soul?!!!! :shock:

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:lol: You're right, Rock Rose ~ never heard of him, either. Everyone's confessions wasted on me :lol: ! I'm sure there's someone I could dredge up, too, but would anyone even know who they are :? . That may be a bit like, "Does a tree falling in a forest, where no one's around, make a sound?" If noone knows even the nature of what you confess, does it satisfy the criteria/need for confession? I've heard though that it's supposed to be an internal thing, anyway. But, if that's the case, why do human ears have to hear it? This may be one of the reasons I opted out on converting to Catholicism when I was 19. Too many questions. Not enough [satisfactory] answers.

I used to hate jazz, then came to love it during a period [maybe the weed of the 60's/70's made even the discordance mellow?], and am now moving away from it again. There are certain songs and artists that I still like in the jazz realm, but for the most part, I satisfy my healthy taste for diversity in other directions.

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Hi Liz,

that thread is growing so terribly fast...
Hope you remember what we were talking about. :)

This afternoon I just came across a passage by Richard Schaukal, an Austrian poet and critic (d. 1945). It reads (in my own translation):

"... that real sort of humour, which everybody knows to be at once smiling and weeping, or rather a smile out of weeping, smile of one who once bitterly wept into himself and - does not weep anymore..."

Yes indeed, I do understand Jewish humour by the suffering of the Jewish people.

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That's a beautiful passage, Johannes, to explain or elaborate on what you meant. It shows the cathartic value of poignant laughter. We can all recognize the scenarios and the subtle differences that Richard Schaukal describes. It seems you did very well with your interpretation.

I agree that there's an "ingrained" sensitivity [in this case manifested in humour] that comes through one's heritage and ancestry; as well as one's own direct suffering due to what may insidiously remain in the world, that results in one's own "[in this case] Jewish experience." There may be many things that you and others would pick up on viscerally that I would never catch.

Might you be interested in joining us with the interpretation, from the ground up, with Leonard's poem, "A Life of Errands"? It's in the "Leonard Cohen novels and poetry" section. We're still in the beginning stages. It'd be great to see you there. I've never participated in anything like that, and I'm finding it very enjoyable.

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linmag wrote: I loved the lines

"A leg at every corner, balancing his head,
And a tail to let you know which end he wanted to be fed"

also the one about being "temporarily lazy and permanently tired"

True poetry :lol:
Greetings all music lovers~

Hi Linmag~

I couldn't help thinking of Pam Ayres in reference to funny poetry; anyone else familiar? One of your best British poets of recent times. Also like "Danny Boy", sung by the right singer. I suspect people have been turned off it over time due to the awful 'butchering' it has received by every drunken (or not) 'Tom, Dick and Harry' who thought they could sing it. :roll: :lol:

Rock Rose~
I like Irish music; especially Clannad, The Corrs , Enya. Love some Scottish too (my dad being one). "A Scottish Soldier" is a particular favourite; something about the yearning for those "green hills of home" touches the heart.

Paula~
Did you know Dory Previn wrote a song about the experience of having her husband swiped by Mia? I can't quite remember the title but it was something like: "Beware of young girls with daisies, who come to the door." I'm not sure if this was before or after Dory's 'breakdown' (when she produced her most profound work).

Regarding Jazz: didn't it 'die' with Benny Goodman.... or was it with Louis Armstrong? (Benny Goodman's "Concerto for 4 Strings and a Clarinet" is sublime)

I know most have heard of Bob Marley, but does anyone know Peter Tosh? He does a song called (I think) "Do You Remember Moses?"

An extremely gifted singer/songwriter I can recommend to Cohenites is the Australian, Jeannie Lewis : the album "Freefall Through Featherless Flight" is worth discovering. :idea: 8)

with Love to all,

Makera

PS We used to get the Val Doonigan Show in Oz, many years ago, I remember he was very entertaining; with a lovely voice. (I must have been about 12! :shock: )
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