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Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:35 pm
by Violet
.. nice painting, Shaz.. I'm reminded of Chagall, actually..
I would counter, though, that brushstrokes are not quite the same as words, though I do see what you're saying.. still, there's always room to bring in other ideas when considering whatever it is we're doing as artists/writers.. I myself never entirely discount what people offer me in response to what I do, even if I don't always take it on, as it were.. to me, the inspiration part doesn't go away just because one refines the end result.. as regards your painting, I'd say that overall it still has a refinement to it, within its own loose mannered form or style.. and you knew just how to work it to that point of completion.. and so, I'm just offering that this could be more closely matched with your handling of words, given it's a different "medium," if you will.. I myself sometimes try for a certain "lightness" with words.. a certain airiness I might want to achieve.. but sometimes it takes a good deal of going over before it comes out looking light and breezy and easy.. I guess I'm just questioning your emphasis on the "feeling" you're having.. and not the end result of that feeling.. after all, the end result is all that the reader has to try to approximate that original feeling you were having.. and words can be either conveyors of or barriers to such feeling.. and so.. as with all of the arts.. it becomes a matter of "craft".. not just feeling.. although the more one refines one's craft, the greater one's command, and so in that sense, it can sometimes come a lot easier (though not always).. do you see what I mean?.. in other words, in the same way you developed your eye with paint, you might consider further developing your ear with words.. especially since you do have a feeling for words too..
-- this part is for Cate --
Cate.. Shaz just posted one of this Forum's favorite (tragic) songs.. (Someone Left Cate Out in the Rain).. it's nice to hear this version..
v i o l e t
.. I've added some additional remarks, to those of you following this..
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:29 am
by shaz
Thanks violet, i did, in fact, try this last night in the "world was beginning" thread, and refined a couple of times. And sleep did not come, as the words were not left behind me.
I still have alteration to them in my head. The words can plague one, as visions are more relaxing, to induce sleep i think. But, i am getting the idea to hone the work to add some extra drama and depth at least.
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:03 pm
by Violet
Hi Casey.. wherever you are.. this is for you and your loved ones this Easter morning (a humble variant of my favorite Easter hymn).. oh, and this for everyone else here as well..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgWLbtYLH0
FULL SCREEN..
.. that our hearts and minds might be lifted this one moment,
v i o l e t xxx
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:11 pm
by Violet
Hi Casey.. I hope you and E. and Mr. Darcy and Silver are all hangin' in, as they say.. And I do hope you will see this, even if you aren't posting right now..
Maybe since I watched the sunrise this morning.. (I couldn't sleep last night at all).. and.. I don't know.. somehow I feel to be in a dream.. a sleepless dream.. so.. I thought to finally finish this collaboration with you and your "darker" photos.. which I really like a lot.. especially amid and between this particular sad and moody poem of mine.. I do hope you like it, Casey.. it was a terror to try to do, actually.. luckily I made back-ups as I went along.. my connection is so faulty sometimes.. and I can lose an entire post.. so.. I was fairly smart for someone without a lick of sleep..
.. anyway..
.. here's to all lovers, everywhere.. sweet be you still in that longing..
v i o l e t xx
Of Longing Still


It’s as if this small town were drowning past me tonight..

.. connecting as it does to the dismal..

.. to the fearful in me..


It’s as if these lonely homes..

.. have just to tell their numbing horror..
.. in lampshades..

.. burnt brown, and wanting..

I’ve been running my fingers through your hair for miles..

And taking in the virtues of dark mountains lumbering past..


I would give you all the sweetness of my sorrow..

.. the handsome touch of my love’s revision..

.. down..

.. in the dark..

.. where your perfect instruments lean..

.. standing..

.. against all that’s left of home.



No, I’m not terminal..

.. my love is not infernal..
.. but resting now..

.. with slumbering mountains crawling past..

.. on this dark drive.



ii. More than once in pleasant shade I’ve sung without regret and looked forward..

Even under canopies of blossoms..

.. redolent with past sadnesses, but gleaming, still..

.. in the improbable possibilities of love..


My intentions are all..

.. or none..

.. still, I won’t betray you..

.. or give you cause to grieve..

.. although in your grief..

.. I know I’d find beauty..


.. and in your beauty..

.. the lines of untold grieving..



iii. It’s quiet now. The other passengers have fallen asleep..

.. (their faces having gone upward)..

.. leaving me my drive..

.. more focused than before..

.. on instruments that lean in the dark..

.. having once been displayed for those more worldly than I -- but lost..

.. in the sense of your apprehension..


.. in the sense of your longing still.



There are moments when the dark of the mountain tops..

.. seems indistinguishable..

.. from the deep blue..

.. of the night sky..

.. and I momentarily feel your lack of ease..

Are you with me even now?


I’m selfish..

I want..

.. far more than can be held..

For here..

.. down..

.. in the dark..

.. where your perfect instruments lean..

.. against a bedpost..

.. that stands for all that’s left of home..

.. I feel the velvet mountains drawing close..

.. for even as my home is filled with Lilac..

.. I am lost..

.. in the sense of longing still.



iv. One passenger awakes..

.. music is turned on..

.. the sad enchantment of this quiet drive now broken..

But it’s been..

.. miles and miles..

.. of sewing blossoms in your hair..

And holding you over your reticence..

..your self..

.. your fine eyed stare.


v.
Don’t touch me.
I already know your answer.
You can’t abide.
I’m asking too much, or
nothing at all.
It’s unnatural, and you tell yourself
that what you want is not.

Still, I won’t say that I know you..

.. that I understand...

Though I’ve carried you in mountains..

.. in small towns drawing close..

.. then passing into darknesses..

.. the way a heart knows its thorns when felt..

.. the way I tell myself to leave, now..

.. this last premonition..

of your touch.


v i o l e t
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:32 pm
by Violet
.. thank you so much, Karren.. it was truly a labor of love, and it's been wonderful working with Casey's photos.. (perhaps he shall one day return)..
v i o l e t x
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:38 pm
by Cate
Violet - you have truly outdone yourself and that's saying something.
I believe I recognize your poem but it was very different experience reading it in this format.
note the first time I read through by scrolling down the pictures but the second time I realized that if I clicked the side bar the pages (so to speak) would move one at a time which was even more visually effective.
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:03 pm
by Violet
.. hi Cate.. I was trying to time it so that the number of photos in between would set the cadence, in a way.. [what a lot of work!].. oh.. and I was working with that "little film" idea I'd been working with on this thread [re: repeating the photos]..
v. x
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:15 pm
by Casey Butler
Thanks, Violet. Though I had to oil my scrollbar approximately midway through, I have to admit your message is unique. Solomon must be rolling in his grave... There is something new under the sun!
Thanks for walking that mile with me... :-))
Casey
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:24 pm
by Violet
.. oh, Casey!!.. how nice to see you here.. Oh, also.. I've been tweaking the number of photos between the lines, to get the cadence right as I read it.. so.. you might try reading it again.. see what you think..
.. so nice having you here!
v. x
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:20 am
by Casey Butler
Wow! Great work! :-)
Casey
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:04 am
by Casey Butler
Violet wrote:.. oh, Casey!!
Hi, Violet, this is a photo of Snowflake, a tiny kitten saved by our daughter Heather and left with us for two weeks (that turned into six months) because vet bills in California are so steep. They picked him up the day after Christmas though, and grandaughter Charlotte (3) is crazy about him. He was raised right after all (ahem

). One day she was carrying him around and when she dropped him he reached out to hang on and ended up scratching her. She told her mother, "Call Grandma and Grandpa and have them delete this cat!"
We finally figured out she meant "declaw", but it was funny. At least we didn't have to take Snowflake back here! Me & E, Pepper, Kitty Bob and Mr. Darcy were just recovering from Snowflake.
Would you like me to fill you in on all that's taken place since we last spoke? It's been quite a time.
Extra Note: Somebody should tell Leonard that his board here is not accessable to people with limited vision. I've noticed that since using E's computer to post.
She has Vista's "Display Accessablity Options" set to "High Contrast Black" with a huge font so she can read. She has no central vision and sees only periphally, only barely, and with a cataract at that, so she has bend up very close the screen even though it's a 24-inch monitor.
I get piqued by the Web sites she visits that just don't seem to care enough about whether disabled people can use them properly... And, being a Webmaster of old myself, I know it's not THAT difficult to listen to user feedback and address issues that stifle dialog among all peoples, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, disease, or disability, etc...
Here, the "Reply" button does not show up, nor does the "Quote" button, so I'm left feeling around with my mouse pointer to watch for the spots where it turns into a Hand Icon meaning you can click there. Unfortunately, Elizabeth can't see well enough to do that.
So you see, suppose someone with limited vision had something of value to offer here or under "Comments" or wherever? Currently, it seems, the visually impaired are excluded from participating.
Anyway, Leonard should know, I think. I'm sorry for being such a harpy about it, but my idea of heaven is a place where all can see, especially E?
Am I wrong?
Casey
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:22 pm
by Violet
Dear Casey,
Jarkko is a wonderful spirit, and I think you should write him a little note as to your concerns, as I feel he would listen, and try to be of help.
You too, Casey, are a wonderful spirit.. and I will always remember how you so generously offered to help me once, when it looked like I was facing near homelessness. To me if there is a true Christian spirit, it is in your generosity and kindness.
Please share more of yourself and your travails and hopefully triumphs, if you care to. Oh, and such a truly exquisite white kitty is Snowflake!.. and we're experiencing such unprecedented snow here this year as well..
Love, and stay in touch,
v. xx x
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:43 am
by Casey Butler
Violet wrote:Jarkko is a wonderful spirit, and I think you should write him a little note as to your concerns, as I feel he would listen, and try to be of help.
You too, Casey, are a wonderful spirit.. and I will always remember how you so generously offered to help me once, when it looked like I was facing near homelessness. To me if there is a true Christian spirit, it is in your generosity and kindness.
I'm sorry for offending. We are all wonderful spirits. The entire world and all that's ever existed here, in whatever physical or spiritual state we are in.
In my "Extra Note" I meant no offense to Jarkko, rather, this is Leonard's forum, whom also I meant no offense to. Rather, I am asking that he notice that my wife and others affected like her cannot participate as things are. I am asking for mercy on their behalf, I suppose, and on my own behalf for revealing the frustration I feel when I'm required to help E navigate Web sites.
You don't sound terribly interested in a long Casey story, so the short story is: I have undergone a second spiritual death. Extremely oppressive and even more self-revealing this time.
I am neither generous, kind, nor a "true Christian". I am an unprofitable servant. I have done that which was my duty to do.
Casey
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:24 pm
by Boss
Welcome back, Casey
Boss
Re: I'll not love again
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:51 am
by Casey Butler
Hello Boss,
I'm here to serve, but I suffer from self-inflicted confusion of face. I've said many things over the last year or two and, perhaps because I'm slothful and don't know what typing might be saved by not have to say something again, or perhaps because I'm proud and don't want to appear a fool by repeating myself or offering things already well understood, or perhaps because of some other reason hidden from me by the whim of my God-given character, I'm unsure how to proceed other than to virtually kneel before you, wash your feet, and ask how I might serve you here.
How might I serve you?
Metaphor has failed me here, so I also give you my two-edged sword in surrender. I'll try to speak clearly and soberly about anything I have to say. And since I can't type for long in one sitting I'll try to keep anything I say short. If I might also utilize humor occasionally I would appreciate that.
And if I've said anything even mildly uncomfortable to anyone here, I will gladly rephrase.
Nice seeing you again...
Casey