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.Blonde M,"There is no world without the blessing"
Is this a vision of the world without God?
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I don't. I read it as a bleak picture of a possible take on the present. I had a mildly unpleasant interaction with a coworker this morning, and I have been looking for a way to see some beauty or love in it. Sometimes it's easy to see the world as if everything that happens is a blessing, a beauty, even the "bad" stuff. Sometimes it's not so easy, but I practice.blonde madonna wrote:I read it as an apocalyptic vision of a time in the future when the world will experience a judgment day.
That's interesting Manna. Is this how you see the world on a bad day? And applying your thinking to this verse would make it more about the feelings of the speaker than any sort of objective outlook on how the world actually is. But then you have to ask why does he feel this way?Manna wrote:I read it as a bleak picture of a possible take on the present.
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Let us be proud of our region.
Maybe, in a fit of displeased hyperbole, I might see things like this. The idea seems so laughable right now, though, with a beautiful fresh white coating on the pine trees outside my kitchen window, my child playing music, my husband shoveling the neighbor's front walk, and the breakfast dishes done.blonde madonna wrote:Is this how you see the world on a bad day?
yes. is there any such thing as objectivity? after all, this wasn't written by a guy who'd gained notoriety for his cheerfulness, and it was written by one single guy, and one single guy will always have his own view. Which isn't to say he can't understand and empathize with others', just that I don't know if I can see a single person as a truly objective source of anything other than his own experience.And applying your thinking to this verse would make it more about the feelings of the speaker than any sort of objective outlook on how the world actually is.
And even there...just that I don't know if I can see a single person as a truly objective source of anything other than his own experience.
Visualizes like a potential poem.The idea seems so laughable right now, though, with a beautiful fresh white coating on the pine trees outside my kitchen window, my child playing music, my husband shoveling the neighbor's front walk, and the breakfast dishes done.
Matj, what are your thoughts on this phrase? It confuses me because having no fence in my heart sounds like a good thing. I picture no barriers to letting God's love in or your love for others out. What would be a good fence and what would be its purpose?mat james wrote:It is the phrases below that I am focusing on; that stand out to me as being indicative of his mood/perspective in this verse.
...There is no fence in their heart
I read this Manna and thought how frustrating it is to express myself with exactness. I agree with you, to me this is self evident. But how do we understand another person - our subjective self reaching out to their subjective self? It is like you are saying "lets dismiss this, he's obviously having a bad day, end of story".Manna wrote:is there any such thing as objectivity? after all, this wasn't written by a guy who'd gained notoriety for his cheerfulness, and it was written by one single guy, and one single guy will always have his own view.
I find your take on this interesting Manna because you have a different perspective. It was the use of 'they' that made it sound biblical and prophetic to me. As if it is not, perhaps, Leonard himself speaking but some doomsday prophet or even God himself.Manna wrote:This verse, to me, seems to be about the use of they as opposed to the use of we. It sounds to me like he is picking on those who use they this way - to distance themselves from humanity's darkness.
You make a good point here. You're right, a heart can be filled with all sorts of feelings, some that need to be fenced in, some that need to be let out to pasture, some that need to be set free.ps. Re: fences in the heart
the previous phrase gives an example of a good fence. They hurt people because there is no fence. The heart doesn't deal only in love, but also in blood.
