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You're welcome......as you "teach your children well," remember that the strongest lessons are learned through example. When you get to the respect module with them, you may want to be more circumspect with what and how you speak.

Meanwhile, don't presume to trivialize what I've said by attaching it by a worn thread to daytime serials. Truth = mud......interesting perception, Suzanne. Amazing that you didn't mind slinging real mud at Leonard. While you say you have "better things" to do, I know for a fact that Leonard does. Nice of you to have done your part to make him feel welcome [the kind that doesn't disappear the moment your own, narcissistic expectations aren't met].

You might want to turn that mirror around, and look into it yourself. If you ever get to the graciousness module, you may also want to return, and revisit Leonard's lovely and heartfelt thank you to all of us.

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Post by Moonlight »

Lizzytysh, no one respects Leo more than I do. But I suspect Leo would rather have my money than my respect. And I also think everyone, including Suzanne, knows that Leo is an extremely busy man. But good grief, how long do you actually think it took for Leo to "shock and awe" us with that reply? Probabaly, about 30 seconds. Tops. So, L calm down and take a deep breath. Leo would want you to.
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I think many things said in this thread are based on insufficient background information. It's time to throw some water on the flames and let this discussion die! We have so many other more constructive topics...

I should have added some smiling emoticons to my comment about the gift-horse; it was not meant to be too serious...!

You know, Leonard is well-known for his very short but often clever email comments. He is very tied to his present projects (new songs and the book of poetry), and the work is making great progress. The time he is able to spend on-line is limited.

He is not writing and composing for money (as some seem to think); at this point of his career he is writing because he feels that he has a lot to say, and he really loves what he is doing.

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Post by George.Wright »

I think that it is sad that so many people argue about what was a thanks (however small) from Leonard himself.
He is a busy man and he took the trouble to acknowledge his fans on the forum.
I would hate to see the threads, if he said nothing.
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Post by Linda »

I a sorry, Lizzytysh and Judiths explosions and name calling is totally uncalled for. My respect for Leonard is great, but his fans are driving me away, not just from the board but from him. To me it seems like some have an obsession, it is sick.
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Post by Linda »

In reading my first post to see if that caused such an uproar. I should have said " it will shine in us sooner or later''

I really didn't expect a reply George.
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Linda ~ When assessing "totally uncalled for," begin and end with the undermining assessments of Leonard's kind words. Look inward first. Obsession and decency are a far cry from one another. More hyperbole. Your "it will shine in us sooner or later" correction is by far more appropriate for those who whine. As for Judith's excellent response, opening the floodgates can never have predictable outcomes. Perhaps some of the [obviously] better writers, who know how things should be said, can accurately describe the sound of one heart breaking. Have a good day.

Jarkko ~ "Out of the mouths of [horses]...." ~ your own comment may have been meant to be lighter, but you spoke the truth. Leonard's personal reading and response were a gift to us. One that is truly appreciated by the majority of those who wished him well on the thread you relayed to him. Our time is the most precious thing we can give another person. Hopefully, people don't need to wait until they face death to know. In the interest of your preferences, I will focus elsewhere, as well. Thank you again for making it possible for Leonard to read our messages, and for bringing his beautiful response back to us. It was a privileged coming together.

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I wonder if she has an 'OFF' button?
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No, she does not. Those are only for automatons.
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Post by Linda »

Lizzytysh with what is available to us today, anyone can appear to be a good writer at first glance. Words coming from the heart are far more important and don't take long to detect in what people write.

Leonard is a perfect example of words coming from the heart. I felt that missing in his response. Sorry. Undermining I don't think so, it was just an opinion.

Now I am letting it go.
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Post by Tony »

It obviously does matter - at least today. Maybe next week something else will matter?
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Post by Tony »

Or perhaps tomorrow even?
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Linda ~ Amazing that you would hold Leonard to such an arbitrary standard as you appear to hold. Did you expect the passionate delivery of a preacher from behind the pulpit on Sunday morning? You can believe, at least trust, that his words were from the heart. Otherwise, you can also believe, you would never have set eyes upon them. He owes us nothing. What he gave was a gift. The fortunate few with the ability to recognize this, do so. It would appear that some people expect this to be the equivalent of a private audience with him.

G~d help Leonard if you ever see him in person, and he slights you by only/merely speaking to acknowledge you with, "Hello, Linda. It's good to see you." After all, if he really meant it, he'd stand and have a conversation or, better yet, sit down and have a cup of coffee with you. After all, you deserve so much more. How about practicing gratitude for what does come your way? It's such a good habit. It's a big world out there, and Leonard's plate is full to overflowing.

The likelihood of your having the opportunity to pass such judgement again? Your Bible speaks to this with something to the effect of, "Do not cast your pearls before swine." What people expected is beyond me. A mention of posters by name? An honourable mention for a selected favourite? A special poem written especially for the Forum posters? A sentimental stumbling around with words to "prove" their origin from the heart? Less eloquence, perhaps? In reality, Leonard covered much ground with a brief, concise, and direct message ~ so like him to do so. I wonder if anyone has considered the reserved, even shy, side and aspects of Leonard.


Heretic ~ I am rephrasing my earlier post:

No, I do not. Those are only for automatons.


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Post by Paula »

Suzanne (I think it was Suzanne) you have deleted your post which opened this can of worms, why did you delete it?
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Suzanne emailed me telling that she will never be here again, and asked me to delete her membership and all her messages. I emailed back to ask if she is really sure about that. She was, so I carried out her wish,
although I don't like this kind of withdrawals.
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