More Interesting Photos

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:06 pm

Yes, David, there are a LOT of steps on Hydra... but the points made by Hydriot are wholly supportive of this not being Hydra. The nature of those steps is remarkably different from what you see here. If I had studied the background of the photo, I might have come up with a couple of Hydriot's glaring 'clues', but I didn't study anything, I just went by what I was thinking had been said previously about this photo. If anyone's comments here are to be taken as 'proof' that this is not Hydra, you're not going to get any better or more substantive than Hydriot's

.

Back to you in California...

~ Lizzy

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:03 pm

I can't help it. I mean, I am not suppose to waste time, but I'm not completely awake so I guess I can count this time here with the time I sleep - which is necessary.

I found this picture on the net years ago. According to the comment of the photographer, on this day he met Leonard Cohen by chance in a party, and by chance he had his material with him. He asked him if he can take a picture of him. The man graciously said yes.

The party was around a swimming pool in LA if my memory is good.

Let me check if I can find this again now.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:47 pm

No quick success. So, I'll store my computer in my mouth too for now

Anyway, I found this new one with comments - I had never saw nor read - very interesting :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zollo/161729948/

jazz4111 · Post by **jazz4111** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:35 am

As a former Hydra resident and long time visitor - I totally agree with Hydriot - those steps are nothing like any I've ever encountered on Hydra -for all the reasons he's mentioned. Looks way more like Southern California (where I live) or maybe even Montreal in the summertime...

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:20 pm

The comment of the photographer (if only I could remimber his name) did not mention Montréal (but yes, it could be - in summer of course - legs here are only white from the winter, in summer anybody is tanned like "the rest of the world"

), but some place in the US, and I am almost sure it was LA.

As for the swimming pool party it is easy to remimber. He was dressed for the circonstance. He would not have had the bad taste to go to a swimming pool party "black tie" dressed .

If somebody can put the hand on that comment, we will know for sure about the location.

Dem · Post by **Dem** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:39 pm

At first glance it could be Hydra.

But after Hydriot's detailed account I tend
to agree with him.

Dem

PS) And dear Tchoco,it is "remember".
Ok?
Good girl!

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:49 pm

I'll try to remend. Next year, same date. Bad boy.

Dem · Post by **Dem** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:28 pm

yes girl.
"try to remend"
cause otherwise you will have to repent!

Dem

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:07 am

Now I wonder what you meant.

While I am at it. Anthem (what another great text. Fantastic!) makes me think of the song YMCA. Don't ask me why. Maybe it is this army-like sound. I don't know. Now you can laugh, anyway.

One thing leading to another, he wrote in Anthem :

"from the brave, the bold, the battered
heart of Chevrolet".

I wonder. To give cars (like Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cherokee Chief and so on) the names of exterminated (or almost) nations and/or cultures, well, it seems pretty much the same to me that doing some lampshades with the skin and soap with the grease? Not exactly the same but pretty much close.

P.S. : OK-OK. Chevrolet is not a Native American name, it is a French name, but they used a caricature of a NA to sell the car (the Chevy Indian) and you know how a thing leads to another.

Anyway :

"What’s clear is that Native Americans are offended. What’s also clear is that the logos and mascots will continue to appear until a lot more non-Natives take offense."

Source : http://www.thenativepress.com/mascots.html

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:14 am

It really doesn't seem that Leonard would be very motivated to wear a YMCA t-shirt on Hydra, either

. It fits more with L.A. than Montreal, too.

~ Lizzy

Davido · Post by **Davido** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:56 pm

And the prize goes to....Tchocolatl ! The second photo was taken by Ivy Ney at an LA party.

Dem · Post by **Dem** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:32 pm

To give cars (like Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cherokee Chief and so on) the names of exterminated (or almost) nations and/or cultures, well, it seems pretty much the same to me that doing some lampshades with the skin and soap with the grease?

I understand the feeling.
We admire so much those Cherokee Indians that we have exterminated
or confined to ghetos that we give their name to a brand new 4X4
aimed for the modern driver whose philosophy by the way towards the evironment is exactly the oposite
of that of a Cherokee Indian.

And something more: Those lampshades made of skin are a hoax
and the soap of human fat never went beyond the first experimental phases.

Thank a god.

Dem

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:38 pm

A hoax? It did catch the imagination enough to pass the time, then. Or is it an "hoax" like the extermination camps. You know, some people said they never existed.

For the rest : Exact.

But it is tricky to try to redo what was broken, because this culture is from another century, I wonder how it would have evolved, but it is certainly not possible for them to live like before now. And people who arrived here in the beginning of the great colonization trips are not the same too. Everything is different. I think that what is most important for the whole humanity about this culture is preserved though and could be known and used. Just a thought like that.

So, Davideo what do I win?

You know with the name and eveything I found the whole story on Jarkko's site, now. But that was not where I was this. I saw the picture and the comment on the net somewhere else before. As my search does not succeed more with the name of the photographer, I guess this is not on the net anymore, maybe.

Dem · Post by **Dem** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:29 am

A hoax? It did catch the imagination enough to pass the time, then. Or is it an "hoax" like the extermination camps. You know, some people said they never existed.

The extermination camps were VERY REAL.

What "some people" (the so-called Holocaust revisionists/deniers,with whom I totally disagree but I believe to their freedom of speech) though say is that the gasings never existed.

But more specifically about the "human lampshades" it was supposedly Ilse Koch, the "Bitch of Buchenwald," wife of Karl Koch, first Commandant of Buchenwald concentration camp “ that started the fad:
that any prisoner who happened to have extensive tattooing of any sort on his body was brought to her; that,
if she found the tattooing satisfactory, the prisoner was killed and
skinned; that the skin with the tattooing was then tanned and made
into souvenirs such as lamp shades, wall pictures, book ends, etc;”

While Karl Koch was so murderous and corrupted that was tried, found guilty and executed by the SS themselves his wife became the most notorious German war criminal of all those who were brought before the American Military Tribunals at Dachau trial.

You can read extensively about Ilse Koch’s trial and the allegations about her human skin artifacts that decorated her home here:

Trial of Ilse Koch
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScr ... eKoch.html

The article in Washington Post(“Ken Kipperman and The Table of Horrors”) that is mentioned towards the end can be read here:
http://tinyurl.com/ld2tg

The fact is that it hasn’t been proved that those “human lampshades” ever existed
(although it seems that at least three pieces of tattooed human skin were indeed found: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/n ... 06-3423-ps and probably human skin had been used in other experiments as well)
and still today yet not a single "human lampshade" has ever been found so it could be DNA-tested and put the dispute at rest.

And Diane Saltzman, director of the collections division of the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., is highly skeptical:
“None of the lampshades that have surfaced over the past 50 years have ever turned out to be real,” Saltzman said. “There is no proof that this practice has ever occurred.”

For two opposite views on the subject see also:

Buchenwald: Legend and Reality
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html

Frau Ilse Koch, General Lucius Clay, and human-skin atrocities

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /skin.html

Ok.
That was a gory post in a thread that started with a photo of Leonard in
shorts

Dem

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:02 pm

... yes, but a post that I believe would be of greater interest to Leonard than a photo of himself in shorts.

~ Lizzy