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Postby Young dr. Freud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:23 am

but when the "Commander-in-Chief" will be relieved of his duties?
You're a deadbeat Greek...you haven't got any say about anything...anywhere.



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Postby lizzytysh » Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:14 am

Yes, Demetris ~

The spin is very impressive on this. The position is that Brown is needed in Washington to continue in his national capacity, in case there are disasters, elsewhere. No doubt this relocation is due to his stellar resume thus far ~ giving aid to non-deserving, non-victims in South Florida previously; doing virtually nothing regarding Katrina's victims.

Now, FEMA has discontinued the debit card system that was slated to give victims up to $2,000, for buying food, clothing, and other essential needs ~ to restart their lives. Well, it was in place for 2 days ~ and many victims went to the centers where they were to have received their cards, and got nothing except massive disorganization and no one knowing anything about many things ~ including the debit card plan [at least the victims had their recent experience, for practice in dealing with false promises, so the shock was secondary to not receiving original sustenance for life].

I guess the best way to ensure help from the U.S. government is to move to another country ~ one that the U.S. government isn't bombing.

~ Lizzy

The "debit card" is supposed to be replaced by "bank deposit" ~ no idea how that is expected to work. Hard telling. Just hope something does.
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Postby lizzytysh » Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:16 am

I finally found the People Finder search engine, but nothing helpful came up through it for Squidgy :( .
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Postby Young dr. Freud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:08 am

Lizzy,

Can't you think straight for once in your life. Giving out tens of thousands of debit cards is begging for the scam artists to come crawling out of the woodwork. It was a nutty idea to begin with.
I guess the best way to ensure help from the U.S. government is to move to another country ~ one that the U.S. government isn't bombing.
For you... I sugggest Greece. Dem is there. Of course, he is a deadbeat ...so you might not be able to count on him too much.

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Postby Young dr. Fraud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:21 am

Lizzy - Much of the problem is that the R's complete agenda has been to dismantle the social network of the government, "strangling the beast" as Grover Norquist put it. In the past, whether administrations were R or D, the appointees were people who had some experience in the area they were responsible for. In this administration, appointees have been made based on their loyalty to the cause. The ramifications are now obvious, there's no one left who knows what to do.

Once again I agree with "Freud", the debit card idea was crazy. Now they're saying that they will deposit money into bank accounts. Problems:

1. Large sections of the poor don't have bank accounts.
2. Bank secrecy regulations require proof of identity to open one, with a permanent non-P.O. box address. Many no longer have addresses or the required ID.
3. The plan still only covers getting help to those evacuated to Texas.

Sometimes you just gotta say, what the fuck?

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Postby Young dr. Fraud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:22 am

"Freud" - feeling a little stressed? Usually your abuse is hidden behind smart language and amusing anecdotes. Your last post was just abusive.

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Postby Young dr. Freud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:34 am

Your last post was just abusive.
How so?

I made a lovely suggestion to Lizzytysh. Greece and Dem. What more could she desire?

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Postby Linda » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:49 am

I don't think I have ever seen so many people with such expertise on how to run the government as on this forum. And this has gone on for such a long time. Day in and day out, week in and week out, year after year. Jump on every little tid bit you can find to criticize. Three years to go! If the far left keeps on destroying the democratic party as they are doing it might be longer, could be seven.

Patroitism is loyalty to ones country not ones leader????????
What is a country but the people, and in this great country of ours we have the privilege of voting for the leader. I respect the office of the President of the United States even if the person elected is not the one I voted for. I grew up in an era when we were taught to be respectful.
If he is so bad he will get voted out. Didn't happen last election did it? Do you suppose the majority had it all wrong?

The terrorists must love to read and hear what you people have to say.
We used to say, years ago, we will destroy ourselves from with in. I believe it more and more every day.

Keep the Dems of the world happy, they love you and only want what is best for you.


I believe Lizzytysh asked if I was going to help the Katrina victims. I don't know, if my husband can we may physically go down there, otherwise there is a lot to be done right here. We are suppose to house some in Minnesota if they will come this far north. Can't blame them for not wanting to come, it gets darn cold here before long.
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Postby Young dr. Fraud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:04 am

Per Webster's online dictionary:

Patriotism: "love for or devotion to one's country".

Yes, I do believe that the people voted wrong. Is it not obvious that I believe this? And if GWB had lost would there not be those who thought that was wrong? Of course there would be.

I must comment on the "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" argument, which was intertwined with the "you're with us or against us" statement. I'm sorry to have to let you know that there are other answers besides the ones that have been fed through the mainstream media without critique.

This tragedy didn't have to unfold the way it did. And there is nothing wrong with my pointing this out, nor how the incompetants in the government got their jobs. Or how callous and heartless GWB's mommy is. Nor anything else I've said. I have not been disrepectful to my country, these people do not constitute my country any more than I do.

And I would argue that terrorists have become much more strengthened from the near $200B we've spent on Iraq than any typing I've done in this forum.

And I would argue that the attacks on personal freedom and liberty that have begun in this administration are a much better example of us "destroying ourselves from within" than me exercising my freedom of speech.

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Postby Linda » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:19 am

Went to see what Charlie Daniels had to say after I left here, he is from my generation, interesting comparison. I see eye to eye with charlie, unlike with our young doctor here.

http://www.charliedaniels.com/soapbox/soapbox.asp?id=78
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Postby eeey » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:06 am

Hello Linda,

Glad to see you here again. Go get 'em girl!
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Postby Young dr. Fraud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:28 am

Ha ha ha

Two can play that game Linda. You don't know what generation I belong to, but if Charlie is in yours then so is Richard Reeves:

WHY WE FAILED IN NEW ORLEANS By Richard Reeves
Fri Sep 9, 8:06 PM ET


NEW YORK -- The 40th president of the United States, Ronald Reagan, began his tenure by declaring: "In this crisis, government is not the solution, government is the problem ..."

He must have been thinking about what would happen if New Orleans were flooded, and the streets were filled with bodies rotting away in the sun and poisoning what was once the city's water supply. Government was the problem, all right. It was incompetent from the lowest levels to the highest. For reasons that will be debated for a long time, government could not do its first job: protecting the lives and property of its citizens.

In a way, Reagan, or the memory of him, was part of the problem. Much of government in the richest country in the world is in the hands of his ideological children. The impact of his anti-government rhetoric, the dumbing-down of America, was so great that even his political adversaries were forced to emulate him. "The era of big government is over," proclaimed one of his successors, a Democrat, Bill Clinton. It certainly seemed that way when the trapped and hungry and sick people of New Orleans and Mississippi were left to howl in anger and die alone as the government flew over them in giant jets and military helicopters.

The president himself, seeing the bloating bodies of his citizens abandoned by government in dark waters, immediately understood, so he said, that the problem was "bureaucracy." Sir, the problem was you and your ilk.

George W. Bush, a child of the anti-government, had heard and said for so long that government was the enemy, that government could not be trusted, he was unwilling or unable to use its power to save its citizens before it was too late. He is doing the same thing in Iraq, where he is unwilling to give young men and women wearing the government's uniforms on his orders the reinforcements and equipment they need to survive, much less prevail, in a war they cannot win.

The tragedies in New Orleans and Baghdad are both tragedies of stunted minds who do not believe in the capacity of the people of the nation organized as government. The stupidity of anti-government bias was dramatized a week after the waters came in biblical force. The pilots of two Navy helicopters were reprimanded for acting as if they were big brotherly government by rescuing more than a hundred people when their orders specified that their only mission was to deliver food and water to other military personnel.

Twenty years ago, when one of my children graduated from Cornell University, I was struck by the words of the university's president, Frank H.T. Rhodes, which I remember as: "Don't let anyone tell you that the world doesn't owe you a living. It does. That is why we organized it."

Governments are the organizations of the world, in the American model owing people life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. More people than we know in Louisiana and Mississippi lost all that because government failed them.

Big government may not always be the solution, but the idea of organized collective action is not the problem this time. The problem was that the people running the country have been bashing government for so long that they have lost sight of the purpose of organization. Government is about a great deal more than trying to remake Iraq in our own image.

Government is about providing and enforcing law, about delivering order and security from the forces of hostile peoples and the powers of nature. Government is about offering fairness and justice and the right of appeal to the poorest and meekest of us. It owes us a living, which I would define as providing education, the blessings of public health, and rational management of land and water and the other natural resources of this rich place of ours.

Many of the dead people floating along the edges of the Gulf of Mexico right now are there because the people running the government hate government and, worse, do not understand the idea and obligations of government. We are a lesser people because of that -- and the whole world is watching.



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Postby bee » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:56 am

Mr.Fraud wrote
And there is nothing wrong with my pointing this out, nor how the incompetants in the government got their jobs.
Yes, that's what I was wondering about certain person, who works for the Florida government; perhaps in the lower echelon of office rats, but still-why would she even need any competence in anything? The Florida taxpayers will pay anyway, while she is busy running LC forum, pulling communist propaganda stunts and dreaming of the gorgeous coast and sculptures in Greece. Not bad, not bad at all.
But then, Mr.Fraud will not like me saying that. It would be too ugly for his gentle ears.
It is right what Linda says-too many people pretending to be so competent how to run the government, wars, foreign affairs and politics. Same time confused how to balance their own checkbooks, fix the car or cook a dinner.
Mr.Fraud- I wish you had the guts to come up with YOUR own name-what is there you've got to loose?
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Postby Young dr. Fraud » Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:19 am

Buzz Buzz Buzz Buzz

I balance my checkbook monthly. I'm good at math.

I am an average cook, nothing natural or fancy but no one starves. I lived alone for years and didn't eat only frozen foods or take out.

I admit to not being mechanically inclined, but I make enough to keep the cars in repair. I also don't fool myself as to what I can or cannot do.

I am thick skinned.

Once again, there is a difference between Social Justice and Socialism.

The reference to communism is silly. Spare us the cold war era bullshit. It is the "love it or leave it" stupidity that only applies if a Republican is president.

What I have not and will not do is purposefully incite others and play with their emotions, or be abusive. I post to debate or point out things that YdF does that I feel is wrong. The side debates, like tonights with Linda, are superfluous to me. As is this one with you.

It's a free forum, I could not care less if you don't read or reply to my posts.

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Buzz Buzz Buzz Buzz

I balance my checkbook monthly. I'm good at math.

I am an average cook, nothing natural or fancy but no one starves. I lived alone for years and didn't eat only frozen foods or take out.

I admit to not being mechanically inclined, but I make enough to keep the cars in repair. I also don't fool myself as to what I can or cannot do.

I am thick skinned.

Once again, there is a difference between Social Justice and Socialism.

The reference to communism is silly. Spare us the cold war era bullshit. It is the "love it or leave it" stupidity that only applies if a Republican is president.

What I have not and will not do is purposefully incite others and play with their emotions, or be abusive. I post to debate or point out things that YdF does that I feel is wrong. The side debates, like tonights with Linda, are superfluous to me. As is this one with you.

It's a free forum, I could not care less if you don't read or reply to my posts.
Mr. Fraud
Well, well, well, if it is a buzz, so be it!
You did answer to some points, you thought would qualify to be competent enough to run a government, and may be you are right, may be you are gifted leader and smart thinker. Perhaps you have the vision of future, while thinking about past, what ever limited knowledge that would give to one, but still it helps, because we as people cannot rise above the experience we had, or-the other told to us, to foresee the future from above, as if we were separated from times and happenings. We want to see the future unfold, as we imagine from that starting point we experienced something-to our naturale way of ending, like a script formula from Hollywood. But it is not happening this way. Everything goes wrong, and bad and no happy endings. The angels and prophets are not running the government, the armies are taking over far away lands we have not seen before-what is happening? Are things going by the script, no! One looks into his lines of the play-no, there must be something else written, so, there is! But, the future unfolds differently. there are forces and powers, thoughts and desires, it is not written into the script!
But then again, go there and govern, if you can, if you desire, if you know better, and I follow you!
OK, Social Justice and socialism!
Do you really want to start a discussion of that? It is a very heavy stuff, and you know it. Do you really think that I, Linda or YdF are in complete oblivion of the difference for cries of social justice in capitalistic system, or implementing a socialism with social justice?
There could be many twists and turns, really, if one starts to think about it, takes away too much time from living.
The reference to communism is silly. Spare us the cold war era bullshit.
No, it is not silly, because it is as serious as death itself. When a young virgin girl flirts with an older guy, she thinks she is cute and adorable, but she does not see how she will look the next morning after.
I've seen the guys screaming for capitalism, not knowing what is going to happen to them when capitalism hits them hard, same thing is happening here, with people who scream for social justice, not knowing, what will happen to them, if they would have to share the social justice reality.
Cold war era bullshit,
my darling, was no bullshit-it broke The Berlin wall!
Still, you did not respond to my final question-why don't you give your real name, why would you use a mimic of YdF name? Who in the counseling gave you that advise?
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