Seagull?

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Seagull?

Post by joern » Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:41 pm

Hi, I have a short question about a song of (I think) Leonard Cohen!
Do anyone know a song of him that includes something about a seagull?
On the cover of that original record (I don't know if it was a LP or a single) might be a seagull.
I hope someone can help me!
Thanks, Jörn
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Post by jarkko » Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:05 am

"Seagul" is not mentioned in any of Leonard's
songs, and is not on the cover of any of his albums.
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Post by tomsakic » Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:24 pm

But there is a hummingbird (?) on Recent songs and The Future?
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Post by Paula » Sun Dec 22, 2002 1:20 am

There is an American group called "A flock of seagulls"
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Post by John the Shorts » Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:36 pm

I think the song "Seagull, I don't want your wings" is by Donovan (British folk singer of the mid 60s) I don't know what Album it's on but if you want I can check :?:

BTW: Excellent site, I've been a Cohen fan since I first heard "Chelsea Hotel" as a 19 year old Punk drummer and instantly converted to LC

Shwmae pawb - I hope to enjoy this site for many more years

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Post by Paula » Sat Mar 15, 2003 5:57 pm

Hi John

Do you like Donovan? He was meant to be Britain's answer to Bob Dylan as Cliff Richard was meant to be the British Elvis? Can't stand Elvis or Cliff but I do like Donovan. Welcome to the Forum

It is actually called

Ballad of a crystal man I have it on "Donovan - Catch the Wind"

Walk along and talk along and live your lives quite freely
But leave our children with their toys of peppermint and candy.
For seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
Your thoughts they are of harlequin, your speeches of quicksilver,
I read your faces like a poem, kaleidoscope of hate words.
For seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
On the quilted battlefields of soldiers dazzling made of toy tin
The big bomb like a child's hand could sweep them dead just so to win.
For seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
As you fill your glasses with the wine of murdered negroes
Thinking not of beauty that spreads like morning sun-glow.
Seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
I pray your dreams of vivid screams of children dying slowly
And as you polish up your guns your real self be reflecting.
For seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
Vietnam, your latest game, you're playing with your blackest Queen
Damn your souls and curse your grins, I stand here with a fading dream.
For seagull I don't want your wings,
I don't want your freedom in a lie.
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Post by lizzytysh » Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:11 pm

Hi JTS ~

So, did you only recently hear Chelsea Hotel ~ or have you been a fan for years, after hearing it closer to when it was first released? You see, we're working on this average-age project :wink: .

Welcome to the Forum.

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Post by Andrew McGeever » Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:34 pm

Re Donovan, I recall a song called "How high the gulls fly o'er Islay".
It's a gentle ditty, recorded 1968c. I first heard it in a university in the United States; oh yes, I've been there, but I'm younger than that now.
Gulls, along with other creatures, can occupy the minds of writers. Right now, they don't occupy mine.
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Post by Kush » Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:37 pm

I am trying to locate a Donovan song that I heard about 10 years ago, un fortunately I don't have a name for it nor do I recall the words.
I only remember that he sang it in a weird accent and the theme was something about a turtle ?? swimming around the world or something like that. If anybody has any ideas re' the identity of the song that'd be great.

p.s. something else I remembered about it ...there is something about returning to 'my Flemish land'.
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Post by Susanne » Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:34 pm

Hi,
Leonard's 'First We Take Manhattan' clip starts with sailing seagulls, though they aren't mentioned in the lyrics.

But could it perhaps be that you're thinking of the album (and soundtrack) "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond?
There is a seagull on its cover too.

Love, Sanna
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Post by John the Shorts » Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:50 pm

Shwmae Pawb/Hello All,

Paula - many thanks for the album title, it may appear on some other albums aswell (particularly compilations). I do like Donovan and many others of that ilk (Dylan, Tom Waits, John Martyn to name a few) Likewise I can't stand Elvis or Cliff. BTW is Catch the Wind the album that features the song "Try For The Sun" (I think, I'm terrible at song titles without an album sleeve in front of me)

Lizzytysh - I can't claim to be a recent convert as I first heard LC 18 or 19 years ago, I've given my age and those of friends and relatives on that thread already.

Andrew: We've all been there m8 - I (also) was so much older then but I'm younger than that now (I forgot to mention the Byrds when I replied to Paula)

Kush: I can't, off the top of my head, remember any Donovan songs about Turtles but most of my Donovan stuff is on Vinyl and so it doesn't see the light of day very often but I will try and find out for you.

Finally, once again, thank you all for being very welcoming

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Post by Paula » Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:18 pm

John - Did you mention the Byrds because of "I was so much older then I'm younger than that now"? I have a feeling that was a Dylan song covered by the Byrds but Kush will put me straight on that if I am wrong. Catch the Wind does have "I'll try for the sun". Only £5.99 on CD101 site. Very cheap and cheerful. I am assuming you are British because of the singers you mentioned.

I love the Byrds saw them in concert once many many moons ago.

Kush I can't think of any Donovan song with turtles or Flemish in it. But I don't know vast amounts of his music.

John is that Welsh that little snippet of "Shwmae Pawb" or something else?
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Post by John the Shorts » Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:16 pm

Paula

It was indeed because of their version of "My Back Pages" (Iprefer the cover to that produced by Mr Zimmerman)

And it is indeed Welsh (well spotted)

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Post by Paula » Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:11 am

I feel a bit of a prat now. Did you have Wales in your profile at the side before. If you did it didn't take Miss Marples to work out it was welsh. Its just I can't remember it being there before.

Dylan songs often seem better in the cover versions which is a bit strange really. I like Hendrix "All along the Watchtower" and Byrds "Mr Tamborine Man. Why John the Shorts can't you afford trousers :lol:
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Seagulls

Post by Andrew McGeever » Sun Mar 16, 2003 1:05 am

Dear John The Shorts,
Your question has unlocked other strands, trails of music drifting back to the 60's. Some of us on this board are showing their age, myself included.
I plead guilty for diverting the original message into another arena; but what the heck!
Welcome to the message board.....any blame rests with Leonard Cohen: he's 69 this year, and remains 16 years younger than me, though my mum would like to meet him. She thinks he's handsome.
Yours,
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