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The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:33 pm
by made an exception
Excuse me, but do you all see a pattern here? I am from New York. The minute the Beacon show was supposedly on sale I tried to get tickets, and nothing was available—mind you, I didn't know about the pre-sale. But then this morning, the instant of the pre-sale, I tried again for Radio City. Nothing was available at any price—not a single ticket in the wide expanse of Radio City. And I see this is true of other cities. A friend of mine who managed to get a Ticketmaster representative on the phone was told by this person that the promoter had bought up large amounts of tickets to be dealt by brokers. Aside from assembling with burning flambeaux outside some corporate headquarters—and I'm not sure I know where that would be—is there anything that can be done about this?

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:57 pm
by stillcanring
Is this the way of the future or is this happening because the demographic for this audience is older and potentially more able and willing to pay outrageous prices?

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:08 pm
by MuggsMcGuinness
To quote somebody: "I've seen the future, and it is murder," at least when it comes to getting tickets.

I heard that this nonsense started a long time ago, when promoters made a deal with Michael Jackson to give him 105% of the gross - yes, that's right, more than 100%. So the only way to make money was to create a secondary market beyond the "official" gross. I think this is now being taken advantage of and the artist is just receiving a fee, the this scam is allowed to go on as a pretext IMHO.

I had to pay $450 for a balcony ticket at the Beacon, so fire, make your body, cold cause I'm going to give you a Ticketmaster's body to hold. :(

Leonard Cohen IS the Promoter

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:58 pm
by colombo
And he's scalping his own tickets! Ticketmaster is just the agent -- this would not happen without the express consent of AEG and by extension, the artist himself.

The legal term is "respondeat superior", Let the Master Answer.

Obviously, Leonard's contract with his promoter PERMITS this bullshit, and judging by the prices being asked, it's a very lucrative contract indeed.

So really folks, the shows aren't "sold out" at all. The promoter (read: Leonard Cohen) has only put out a fraction of the available seats and has done it quite cleverly through presales and whatnot to stoke the demand. Now panicky middle-aged affluent fans will be willing to pony up "the big bucks" for whatever seats they can garner.

Don't be a sucker! These marketplace tickets will find their way into general inventory if they remain unsold.

And don't get me wrong: I am no apologist for the evil practices of Ticketmaster. It's just that it takes two to tango, and Leonard has clearly taken this waltz out for a high-speed spin.

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:11 am
by leonardmtl
I am struck that these posters make no connection between the integrity Leonard represents and how that would guide his choice of Bob Hallet. Would LC associate with a scammer? It is ludicrous that conspiracy theories or unethical practices
are alive in Leonard.'s world.. Does Mt Baldy ring a bell?

BTW these tickets, which are limited and never scalped (remember, Leonard is watching) are generally for.friends and family..

Where does Lorca get to sit? Jarkko? How about Esther?

No more need be said.

Leonard from Montreal...same name... Dame town.... no Golden Voice

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:19 am
by denalynn2001
My reply to that is "Take this waltz and shove it." I understand why this tour is happening and was prepared to spend $100 for a good seat, but I think it's an outrage that the brokers had their hands on so many tickets before the public on-sale date. I saw that and was terribly pessimistic as to my chances for today, and for good reason. Let me just add, as of Friday there had been six separate presales for the Chicago show including two for Amex cardholders. Now, today, there are zero tickets for the public but hundreds available for inflated prices from ticket brokers, including Tickets Now. Yes, I have bought tickets from brokers before but I refuse to for this show, based on the way it has been handled. I'll keep checking Ticketmaster, but I'm quickly getting fed up with the whole rigamarole.

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:24 am
by leonardmtl
One more thing.

Since all of the posters have joined within the past two weeks, I encourage them to spend time understanding LC

They would quickly see they are not buying tickets to a hockey game.

In this world, there is no guarantee of a seat.

Leonard from Montreal......same name...same town......no Golden Voice

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:33 am
by denalynn2001
This poster joined today specifically in my response to the frustrating ticketing situation, but I have been understanding LC since I became drawn to his music and ethos in 1992. I have chosen not to participate in this fan community because there are only so many of these things that one has time for, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with my relationship with Leonard Cohen and his music. I was lucky enough to see him at the Park West that year, and "lucky" is the word I always use. I am not so spoiled as to feel entitled, but I do feel it is wrong that there were umpteen million presales for this show and now hundreds of tickets with brokers and none for the fans. Let's not confuse our issues, because this very new forum poster and longtime fan has no hesitation calling bullshit when I see it.

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:43 am
by da2008
And let the conspiracy theories begin...

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:44 am
by MaryB
da2008 wrote:And let the conspiracy theories begin...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: - right on :!: :!: :!: :!:

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:47 am
by denalynn2001
Aint' no conspiracy, just good, old-fashioned greed. For now I'm attributing that to Ticketmaster, Amex, and the venue(s).

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:52 am
by da2008
You must not be going to a lot of concerts I reckon. This is par for the course, unfortunately - nothing to do with greed, conspiracies, etc. Ticketmaster are thugs, but everybody knows it.

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:58 am
by Reno
denalynn2001 wrote:Aint' no conspiracy, just good, old-fashioned greed. For now I'm attributing that to Ticketmaster, Amex, and the venue(s).
I agree absolutely. It's dismaying to see folks suggest that the criticism of ticket distribution is equivalent to delusions of those whom they refer to as the "conspiracy theorists," i.e. deluded crazies. The hierarchical ticket distribution of Cohen's concert tickets is motivated by nothing other than a money grab. It's implausible that Cohen isn't aware of this vulgar scheme, too To quote Brecht, "Grub first, ethics later." Is that so, Mr. Cohen? I'm one of the schmucks that believed in the sincerity of your life as a monk and the religiousness of your lyrics. All a scam, all a scam....

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:02 am
by denalynn2001
Well, you are definitely right about my not going to a lot of concerts recently. And with this rigamarole, it's no wonder. For what it's worth, I do go to SOME concerts and I've never encountered anything like this. However, I am certainly not prepared to disrespect LC or his beliefs at this point.

Re: The promoter is scamming us

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:06 am
by sharney55
Leonard lost his life savings to a scammer named Kelley Lynch. He may not be as attentive to these things as we'd like him to be. It would be interesting to see if we could confirm this allegation about the promoter.