A 'devastated' Leonard Cohen

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Post by LaurieAK » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:25 pm

Perhaps, because this "freedom of speech" is so abused here in the U.S., I react more strongly to it.

Yeah, but when someone is consistently overly emotional, and verbally effusive about just about everything...it all becomes self-serving babble. Not that i am referring to anyone specific...

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Post by Tchocolatl » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:52 pm

Lz, Leonard Cohen is doing this business for a long time now. I always had the feeling he has a hard core, and I was glad to read it in the article "from his mouth". Somewhere he is a real though guy. I don't think that this could harm him. After all, he, in fact, was able to wrote something like BL. Besides, the public is well aware about the headlines and the mag covers purpose and people who are making fuss with headlines are likely to make fuss about anything. The others will take all this for what it is : a hooker and they will "buy" or not, which is more likely not. People are not stupid. Besides, this is not the journalist which choose the headlines, and the article is far from being bad.

Only what you are saying about agressive non ethical marketing strategy, I agree (yes yes...) but for any product. Not just for magazines.

This said, I suppose that Cohen did not like this very much, but it is the thing to do. Under the circumstances.

To come back to being deceived, it is not the person who has been deceived to have to carry the burden of the consequences of the action of the abusers of trust. No need for complicated law codes when people are doing what they are suppose to do to leave in a healty society. (My dear 10 commands were are you :wink: )

Charity? What charity? There is no charity here. First he worked on new stuff to put on Boogie Street, second, even if he would not do this, if he would receive direct money for his "ordinary job" of all those past years of entertainement and, and.... well just read the posts, over here and elsewhere, they are speaking by themselves better than anything, it would be justice not charity.

Linda it seems the best thing to do for CBC right now.

Well not bad this rest of article... not so good either. A piece to put in the file of the Defendant. Your Honour there is evidence about a modest lifestyle.

I prefer not to go that way 'cause my devil advocate side may done someting bad, like talking about his trips in India and may he have transfer his money to the new indian guru and blablabla, not that I think this is what happened, but just because this article, I don't like it very much. So I will stick to what I like about it.

I particularly savoured : "In a triumph of redundancy, the lawsuit against Cohen describes him as a "famous celebrity" -- not to be confused, one supposes, with all those unknown celebrities."

He he.

What annoys me, I think, is people who do not acknowledge any credit to the years he passed in the monastery and this journalist seems to be one of the pack.

"Those years of extravagant meditation on Mount Baldy have not been in vain. "

Years of extravagant meditation... phew...Ey baby, just try to do it for an hour or two :"internally, you must be "free of hope and desire," while outwardly you should "do what is to be done.""

You won't endure 15 minutes of this to begin with.

After you could talk about extravaganza.

I feel that Cohen is too great sometimes to be caught in all its real stature.

Still at 70, 71 this year I'm sure happy that he is under the spot again, but he has the right to rest. If he would prefer to stop the circus, I won't blame him, and any money he would get for the past work would certainly be all justice.
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:02 pm

Well, if you could be more specific......

Cheers.....
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:11 pm

People are not stupid.
Oh, really :wink: ~ I believe it's the 7th-grade, reading level that the majority of newspapers are written on. [For Laurie's benefit, that is not to say that illiterate/semi-literate people are necessarily stupid.] This makes for easy absorption, without the necessity for much thought. The emotional level, would be even less. It's amazing what many people would take away from reading a headline and blurb such as those.

Yes, it's always been that way, and with regard to:
"Only what you are saying about agressive non ethical marketing strategy, I agree (yes yes...) but for any product. Not just for magazines"

Headlines and blurbs don't just get to slide out from under that.

Still making a "fuss about anything" :wink: and believing in responsible reporting,
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Post by Tchocolatl » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:12 pm

He was joking about the extravagant life style/meditation I guess. 8)

Anyway. It rest that some people think it was all a loss of time, or a bizarre choice. Well... it's a free world.
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Post by Tchocolatl » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:16 pm

I don't think you are making a fuss about anything Lz, I just want to tell you that I feel LC could take it, the bad state of affair, his affair, and the mag affair and the show business affair, etc.

If you want to know, I think that this is the rest of the world that are not making enough fuss with whatever you are caring with.

But... people are telling me constantly that I am too deep and heavy, so I'm not sure if I am an average reference for this :wink:

Take care, now I'm late!!!! :lol:
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:28 pm

I think his use of "extravagant" was sarcasm to make a point, via overstatement/hyperbole/irony/wry, dry humour/whatever the appropriate way to label it would be, i.e. "Oh, yes.......Leonard in his 'extravagance' went and spent 5 years in a monastery, wearing simple robes, rising in the earliest of AM hours to sit for many hours, doing nothing but meditating, depriving himself on virtually all levels, save the inner realms. Oh, yes, another one of those extravagant activities of that extravagant lifestyle he leads." For example, everyone knows that life in a monastery tends to be [ahem] monastic ["of or resembling the secluded, dedicated, or austere life characteristic of a monastery"]. In fact, if one were searching for an antonym, "extravagant" would be it.

This reporter did apt reporting on the true, Leonard Cohen lifestyle. I dare say he also had no say in the headline/blurb decision.

Yes, Leonard can and will make it through this. I'm glad he has Anjani at and by his side, and the love of close relatives and of many, true friends.

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Post by LaurieAK » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:07 am

Oh, really ~ I believe it's the 7th-grade, reading level that the majority of newspapers are written on. [For Laurie's benefit, that is not to say that illiterate/semi-literate people are necessarily stupid.]
Well thanks Liz.
Gawd knows i need you to explain each and every thing you say ten different ways and in many, many words....
This reporter did apt reporting on the true, Leonard Cohen lifestyle. I dare say he also had no say in the headline/blurb decision.
You overwhelm me with your insight and inside information. Of course, this must be true and factual!

humbly overwhelmed,
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Post by smccallon » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:41 am

"many men have fallen where you promised to stand tall"

leonard will not fall.
leonard will stand tall.
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Post by Fljotsdale » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:53 am

It seems a pity that we are bickering in this particular thread...

don't you think? :?

Not that I wish to puff myself off as particularly virtuous... :halo: :wink:
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Reuben » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:10 am

:(

this has been troubling me all day this whole situation.


it is so sad that a man who has lived sch a tormented life cannot be allowed to enjoy the inner peace that he has so recently attained
thanks for the trouble you took from her eyes / I thought it was there for good and so i never tried
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Post by linda_lakeside » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:39 am

Yes, Reuben, it is sad. However, Leonard has lived a long and very different life than most of us. He's learned much. His intelligence and hard work will win out in the end. I do NOT think he is defeated. These days, it seems like anyone can make 5 million overnight (except me, of course). Have faith.

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Post by Tri-me » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:06 am

this is a messy mess mess. I don't often buy magazines. but was having a hard time understanding this from my computer screen. there you go MacLeans put LC on the cover

This is gossip because I don't know these people personally, it sounds like Ms. Lynch has lost her sanity. I know Leonard will emerge from this smelling like a rose or Friday night brisket yumm. It is also a reminder that it is a good idea to save emails :? . They are admissable and once you send an email you can't get it back, as far as I know. messy mess mess
BTW the room does not appear to be white, it looks light green ha I just painted my living room a pale green...we have so much in common :P
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Post by lizzytysh » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:35 am

Thanks so much for your hyperbolic response, LAK. Brief enough? It's in direction proportion to what's warranted.
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Post by lizzytysh » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:48 am

Back to what's of genuine concern to me.

What bothers me most, on Leonard's behalf, about all of this is that I don't feel his retirement money was really intended for him. Yes, he would have used some of it for sure. However, his lifestyle has long been a frugal one, and it wouldn't have leapt into a wholly new category, with him pursuing a plethora of interests, newly gained.

I feel that what has to be most painful for him in all of this is that he had every intention of ensuring that he left Lorca and Adam well-positioned in their lives. His sister, Esther, too; probably Anjani, and his dear friend, Rebecca, as well. He has taken his responsibilities toward his children very seriously. He would not have spent $5 million between now and his death. However, he would leave in much greater peace knowing that a satisfactory amount, allowing for all contingencies, was willed to each of his loved ones. I have no doubt that he will be working very hard to again provide for them, as well as for himself.

Second to that, I feel that the depth of this betrayal of trust is paramount.

Third, I feel that he is concerned for his own contingencies in getting older and wanting to live without concern for earning money.

~ Elizabeth
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