Hallelujah on UK X-Factor (all threads merged here)

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Post by John Etherington » Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:59 pm

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Post by scorp » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:19 pm

i've just found this [new] medley of various hallelujahs:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdw4oTMRAkw
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Post by smcx » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:41 pm

I was listening to Sunday on Radio 4 this morning when I heard the opening chords of Hallelujah. They were doing a feature on the meaning of the song and the many interpretations and interviewed a Bishop who was also a Leonord Cohen fan. Didn't agree with all his intepretations, although he obviously knew the song well, but thought it was very interesting the different audiences that the "battle for no 1" is reaching and hopefully introducing a new audience to Leonard Cohen himself. Incidently the Bishop preferred Jeff Buckley's and John Cale's versions to Alexander Burke's.
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Post by Ophelia » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:17 pm

smcx wrote:I was listening to Sunday on Radio 4 this morning when I heard the opening chords of Hallelujah. They were doing a feature on the meaning of the song and the many interpretations and interviewed a Bishop who was also a Leonord Cohen fan. Didn't agree with all his intepretations, although he obviously knew the song well, but thought it was very interesting the different audiences that the "battle for no 1" is reaching and hopefully introducing a new audience to Leonard Cohen himself. Incidently the Bishop preferred Jeff Buckley's and John Cale's versions to Alexander Burke's.

I heard that programme this morning too, smcx. And I'm with the Bishop with his preferences!
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Post by cloudlea » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:32 pm

Thanks smcx I found the program on Listen Again. My preference would be

1 Leonard
2 John Cale
3 Jeff Buckley

Never the X Factor version
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Post by mwaldman » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:14 pm

cloudlea wrote:Thanks smcx I found the program on Listen Again. My preference would be

1 Leonard
2 John Cale
3 Jeff Buckley

Never the X Factor version
I would say that the John Cale and Jeff Buckley versions tie for second place (I keep going back and forth on which one I like better), but Leonard is certainly Number One! I finally listened to the Alexandra Burke version - long on commercialism, short on true feeling for the song.
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Post by Jan159937 » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:36 am

I don't know about anyone else, but I am fed up with all these articles and reports appearing that keep saying Leonard is going to be "laughing all the way to the bank!"

Correct me by all means if I have the wrong end of the stick but as I understand it as he sold all the rights to his songs to Sony before "Ten New Songs" of which, of course, Hallelujah is one having been written in 1984. Only BMG, who own Sony and I believe Syco which is run/owned by Simon Cowell, stand to make any monetary profit from Hallelujah being released by Alexandra Burke?

However, the one brilliant thing from it is a whole new audience have been introduced to Leonard's talents and that's an education in itself!
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Post by subtle » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:22 pm

Jan159937 wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I am fed up with all these articles and reports appearing that keep saying Leonard is going to be "laughing all the way to the bank!"

Correct me by all means if I have the wrong end of the stick but as I understand it as he sold all the rights to his songs to Sony before "Ten New Songs" of which, of course, Hallelujah is one having been written in 1984. Only BMG, who own Sony and I believe Syco which is run/owned by Simon Cowell, stand to make any monetary profit from Hallelujah being released by Alexandra Burke?

However, the one brilliant thing from it is a whole new audience have been introduced to Leonard's talents and that's an education in itself!
Now here's a question for all you budding entertainment lawyers out there - if Leonard was to re-record Hallelujah BUT using a few of the dozens of verses not included in any of his previous versions would he be entitled to full rights on that version?

Purely academic of course because I am sure he is way above exploiting the growing fame of the song - a song which I am sure many of us would not place in our top 5 of Cohen songs?
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Post by sebmelmoth2003 » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:15 pm

here's link to sunday programme : interview - 33 minutes into programme onwards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/sunday/

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/3 ... _rock_God/
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`saturday live` had a little poem beginning programme at 1 minute and 40 seconds onwards.

[sidenote - presenter's another rocking reverend!]

allelujah - in the highest.
allelujah -with the wriest smile
rejoice - the x-factor's really
just another chapter in the life of laughing len.
rejoice - it isn't cowell
but cohen who's the winner in december.
allelujah - but remember leonard cohen is for life, not just for christmas.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/saturdayliv ... live.shtml
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also - article in london evening standard :

HALLELUJAH, indeed - the British singles chart still has the capacity to amaze. It is now a near certainty that Hallelujah - the elliptical, biblical anthem written by Leonard Cohen in 1984, "on the carpet in my underwear, banging my head on the floor" - will be our official Christmas number one come Sunday. And, it looks increasingly likely, our Christmas number two as well...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... article.do
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Post by liverpoolken » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:54 pm

I still haven't heard the X Factor cover but here is a link to my all-time favourite cover of Hallelujah.
For me Kermit somehow manages to capture the original dark humour of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLA4Oda1TZc

And for all lovers of Indian food here is the latest cover version that I came across the other day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUcujIGTJU

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Post by mwaldman » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:25 pm

liverpoolken wrote:I still haven't heard the X Factor cover but here is a link to my all-time favourite cover of Hallelujah.
For me Kermit somehow manages to capture the original dark humour of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLA4Oda1TZc

And for all lovers of Indian food here is the latest cover version that I came across the other day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUcujIGTJU

Ta Ken
Ken -

Enjoyed them both. Thanks for posting.

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Post by Habie » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:51 pm

Ken
Kermit was wonderful. Thank you.

You've probably got me down as a sentimentalist/over-wordy/unworthy kind of Cohenite as you never answer my posts, and that's fine. But I must say I'm still curious about exactly what it is that makes people want to keep their favourite music to themselves, or a small group of cognoscienti, the Initiated, and keep it away from the great unwashed of mainstream culture out there?

When I was a teenager in France, some students in my class adored a particular writer (Marguerite Duras, since you ask) and were horrified when she won some big award and had a bestseller - as though her poetic writing was being tainted by contact with the masses.
Is it the same for Leonard?

Everyone keeps talking on here about royalties, how much Lennie makes, or how much Cowell/Sony make, etc etc. Seems to me Leonard will make plenty from his wondrous tour - (how much can one man need who lived in a monastery for 5 years, is known for his minimalist aesthetic in all things, has the most triumphal tour in living memory ongoing, and both of whose children have successful careers of their own? It's not my business anyway, but I can't help assuming his retirement fund is OK now, as is his love-from-the-fans fund, and his knowledge that he's genuinely adored and has enhanced the lives of people across the globe) - and so, if he's got plenty of retirement money already, and Cowell was always a mega-rich mogul of questionable morality, isn't this about a few more people hearing something that's really poetic for a change, and maybe spotting the difference and enjoying words with more meaning than 'I will always love you-ou-ou-ou...?'.

Och, I dunno, I never know anything for sure. But I can't help wondering. I wander and I wonder, and everywhere I go is Hallelujah, and it keeps on seeming to me like a good thing, not a bad one.

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Post by sebmelmoth2003 » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:50 am

when was the last time two versions of the same single were in the top 2 chart places?

according to yesterday's metro it was 1957 when tommy steele and guy mitchell were singing the blues

guy - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AEwkS57P4eE : tommy - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AU_atFdI89I

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22/12/2008

Hallelujah for the X-factor

WAS Gordon Brown telling porkies or did he really watch the final of the X-Factor at the weekend, shortly after arriving in Delhi from Afghanistan? If so, one wonders what his hosts thought of the PM watching an ITV talent contest via satellite when he was there for diplomatic talks.

"I think I will be buying the single as one of my Christmas presents," he said at his final press conference of the year, while talking about this year's hit, Hallelujah, sung by X-factor winner Alexandra Burke. "I think it is a great song. I happened to hear some of it on Saturday night."

Putting aside the thorny question of why Brown isn't buying the superior version of the same song by Jeff Buckley, which is also in the pop charts at the moment, the Londoner wonders who is the intended recipient of this festive gift? Or is this, as some cynics think, just another ploy to make the PM appear more with it?

Comments...


http://londonersdiary.standard.co.uk/20 ... h-for.html
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hallelujah was the "buzz word" in yesterday's standard :...etymology : from the hebrew hellel, to praise and yah the Lord.

and a correspondent to the standard txt section wrote :

regarding richard godwin's piece on the christmas number one - if i want to hear hallelujah being blasted out by a woman's voice this christmas, i'll buy my mother-in-law a karaoke machine. Jock.

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Post by pegasus4 » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:20 am

I found this information on Leonard and royalties. My apologies if it has already been posted here and especially if by Larissa.
Originally Posted by Larissa
I see a lot of confusion in the various threads on here about Leonard Cohen's rights and earnings. So here follows an explanation of how music publishing works. I'll try and make it as clear as possible. If you're easily bored, don't read any further.

There are two rights in every recording, that of the songwriter or composer, usually assigned to a publisher, and that of the recording artist, usually controlled by the releasing label. Obviously if you are both the writer and the artist, you make more per sale (physical or digital) than if you are just one.

A writer of Leonard Cohen's importance will often set up his own publishing company, to which his songs are assigned. Income will be divided between the company and the writer. Just as an example (I have no knowledge of this particular company, Stranger Music), the division could be 20% to the company and 80% to the writer). So for every pound earned, 20p would go to the company ("the original publisher"), and 80p to the writer.

It's not enough to just set up a company to collect your publishing income, so it's standard practice to enter into a deal with a third party publisher who can handle administration, ("the administrator"), and collect income generated throughout the world from record sales, performance, synch licensing (use of music in films and tv) and sheet music, etc. etc. For this service, the third party publisher will take a percentage of the original company's share, and account the balance and the writer's share on to the respective parties.

If a decision is taken to sell the original publishing company to the administrator, then the whole publisher share goes from then on to the administrator. However, such a sale is always subject to the rights of any writers involved, so the 80% share would continue to the accounted to the writer. (You cannot sell songs outright, it's illegal, you can only assign.)

My understanding of the Leonard Cohen situation is that his then manager, Kelley Lynch, sold his publishing company to Sony Publishing, with Cohen's approval, but then proceeded to skim the proceeds from trusts which had been set up for his children and his retirement. Under a court ruling in 2006 he was awarded a settlement of $9million, but of course Ms. Lynch had by then absconded,and had no doubt spent all the money anyway.

So, assuming I am right about the Sony situation (and please anyone who knows better correct me), Cohen's writer royalty stream should have been accounted to him all along (unless Lynch also negotiated an advance against this income and skimmed that as well?). Thus he will be receiving income from all the sources named above where HALLELUJAH is used. And no-one has the right of veto over who records it, provided the proper licenses are applied for and the statutory royalty is paid. Except if anyone wished to pastiche the song, or alter the lyrics, they would have to apply to Sony for permission, which is unlikely to be granted in the case of this important copyright. Please note that we are dealing with Sony Publishing here as opposed to Sony BMG, the record label, separate entities although of course part of the same corporate group.

If anyone has read all this, congratulations and I hope you've found it enlightening!

The link is http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/show ... p=29517801

If this information is correct then Leonard is hopefully benefitting and not just Cowell and the interestingly named Syco company!
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