Kelley Lynch convicted on violation of restraining order

[wakeupmartin]

Also on BBC news page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17783138

[gilly-rjd]

Quote from the Guardian:

Leonard Cohen's fans might have reason to thank Kelley Lynch.The singer's ordeal at the hands of his former manager has led to a late burst of creativity.
After all, it was the need to top up his pension fund following her depredations that led to his remarkable creative rebirth over the past four years.

First came the world tour that began in May 2008 – when Cohen was 73 – and lasted, barring various breaks for illness and injury, until December 2010, covering 189 shows. Then, earlier this year, came Old Ideas, his first album since Dear Heather in 2004.

The irony hurts, doesn't it?

[stargazer61]

Given how her outbursts have escalated, it would be no surprise if she continued upon release. I don't know how these things work, but presumably she cannot do so from prison? Is there some sort of therapy for stalking? I didn't know anything about this situation before reading about it here on the forum, so the cumulative effect of getting all the details all at once leaves a decidedly creepy feeling. Wishing Leonard & family peace, protection and safety.

It seems unlikely that she will spend much time in prison, according to the BBC article, due to overcrowding in California's prisons. Not sure how effective anger- management courses and 5 months probation will be.

It is quite worrying for LC and his family

[Geoffrey]

It seems unlikely that she will spend much time in prison, according to the BBC article, due to overcrowding in California's prisons. Not sure how effective anger- management courses and 5 months probation will be.It is quite worrying for LC and his family

>Reading a prepared statement, Cohen, 77, said he believed Lynch would resume contacting him once she was released from custody.

I am not very well at the moment, but have dragged this aching body from its sick-bed to the computer because I keep thinking about the courtcase in which Leonard has been involved. This is what I read on a website that calculates prison sentences. If that walking nightmare was arrested on 1st March 2012, and received 18 months (calendar or 28 days?) on 17th April 2012, it will be released at the end of November 2012 - or sooner if prison overcrowding is taken into the equation. Also, I can't understand how a court can award Leonard to be repaid the nine and a half million dollars that was stolen from him. Where will that come from? I need to lie down again, but will look back in here later. It's just a virus. -G

[phillip]

yes i wondered who/how he will be repaid his millions anyone have any idea?

[margaret]

He won't be repaid.

People here in the UK often win judgements in court but if the person cannot or will not pay, there is no way to enforce payment to the victim. It is unfortunately a fact of life. Justice doesn't always work as it should and Leonard, like many others, has to accept the loss even though a court rules in his and their favour. Leonards savings were spent, squandered, whatever, and aren't likely to be reimbursed. Luckily he is now very solvent again

[jazz4111]

There are some mechanisms for collecting on a civil judgment, I.e. garnishing wages, placing a lien against real estate holdings, etc. but in this case, LC knew all the money was gone. KL had both her parents on payroll for a time, she loaned her sister and brother-law money to set up a business in Texas, there was quite a bit of exorbitant spending (Neiman Marcus charge account bill for $90k, ) etc. and also a number of very bad investments (thank the tech bubble for that one). By the time the civil suit reached judgment, her house in Brentwood had been foreclosed on, and she was essentially penniless and homeless. And that circumstance is not likely to change any time soon. Although her older son, Rutger received a 7 figure settlement on a work men's comp suit from Whole Foods ( he lost several fingers at a slicing machine) he has apparently been unwilling to post bond for his mother prior to trial. (of course that is moot now) It is all very sad...

[jazz4111]

PS Geoffrey hope you're feeling better.

[Geoffrey]

PS Geoffrey hope you're feeling better.

thank you. i am still feeling very rough - but no doubt will survive.

i wonder if you can answer something for me. i received a number of communiques from kelley lynch, also her mother joan; i am talking about post office mail now, not email. usually the address of the sender was 419 larchmont blvd., suite #91, stranger management. but once or twice it was given as 419 larchmont blvd., suite #83, amazing card company. was this one of kelley's businesses? also, what does 'suite' mean - the same as 'box number'?

[Cheshire gal]

Is this a joke Geoffrey?

Suite is usually the office number in a large building I am pretty sure.

Hope you feel better soon. Try a 'hot toddy' and get plenty of rest.

[Geoffrey]

Is this a joke Geoffrey?

Suite is usually the office number in a large building I am pretty sure.

Hope you feel better soon. Try a 'hot toddy' and get plenty of rest.

i am resting the whole time almost. don't have energy for much else. but at least i am managing to reach the computer again, so there is progress

my flat looks like a hospital ward, with all sorts of medicines and concoctions. i have sent people to the local chemist many times, costing me a fortune.

a joke? no it is a genuine question. it was said that kelley had various businesses and i thought that might explain something i have wondered about. she also used other logos, some with strange symbols on, and a foreign writing that i couldn't understand. i can scan them if you want. but this is no joke. my name is not michael.

[Patrycja]

Given how her outbursts have escalated, it would be no surprise if she continued upon release. I don't know how these things work, but presumably she cannot do so from prison? Is there some sort of therapy for stalking? I didn't know anything about this situation before reading about it here on the forum, so the cumulative effect of getting all the details all at once leaves a decidedly creepy feeling. Wishing Leonard & family peace, protection and safety.

It seems unlikely that she will spend much time in prison, according to the BBC article, due to overcrowding in California's prisons. Not sure how effective anger- management courses and 5 months probation will be.

It is quite worrying for LC and his family

The disproportionately low prison time as punishment compared to the YEARS of harassment is mind boggling. Prison, ok sure. But then follow up with some sort of longer-term mental treatment facility so these poor people can feel safe. It seems the legal/penal system is a few steps behind in terms of handling cases of this nature. Anger management? It's clear that's a band-aid on a leaking damn type of solution given how her behaviour has escalated.

I'm sure Cohen and those involved have sought and gotten quality advice. There are some things people in these types of situations can do (in addition to the usual extra security precautions) like keeping the existing email where she spews her bizarre ramblings and have professionals monitor it so that Cohen et al do not have to be subject to the stress on a regular basis. Not sure what can be done about regular snail mail, though perhaps something of a similar sort can be managed.

The point is, some type of system that manages/mitigates the contact has to be in place indefinitely because, in part, of the time and type of sentence; unfortunately you can't stop her from actually continuing to try. Hopefully the second she tries again, the punishment will be far longer and more fitting to her crimes.

[jazz4111]

Hope this missive finds you feeling better, Geoffrey. And of course, I find your question pertinent, and not at all a joke. Suite does refer to an office or suite of offices in a larger building, where sub-leased spaces are available. I dont know anything about this card company, it may indeed have been aside business she started. As far as time served, it's true we have an enormous problem with overcrowding, and non-violent offenders are often released very early. But KL has been put into a number of programs ( internally) that require completion, including anger management, substance abuse and psych evaluation (after 6 months, I believe). That being said, it's hard to really know how long she'll stay incarcerated. BTW it's the same facility Lindsey Lohan was in. But she is on 5 years summary probation, so she'll have to report regularly and if she violates, she'll go to state prison for the remainder of the prob. Period. Have a good weekend. Off to NYC tomorrow. (presently she is serving in county jail)

[Geoffrey]

Hope this missive finds you feeling better, Geoffrey. And of course, I find your question pertinent, and not at all a joke. Suite does refer to an office or suite of offices in a larger building, where sub-leased spaces are available. I dont know anything about this card company, it may indeed have been aside business she started. As far as time served, it's true we have an enormous problem with overcrowding, and non-violent offenders are often released very early. But KL has been put into a number of programs ( internally) that require completion, including anger management, substance abuse and psych evaluation (after 6 months, I believe). That being said, it's hard to really know how long she'll stay incarcerated. BTW it's the same facility Lindsey Lohan was in. But she is on 5 years summary probation, so she'll have to report regularly and if she violates, she'll go to state prison for the remainder of the prob. Period. Have a good weekend. Off to NYC tomorrow. (presently she is serving in county jail)

i am feeling much stronger today, thank you, jazz. my head has a sort of 'clogged up' feeling, but i can tell my body is winning the fight for recovery. yes, i think kelley is in lynwood jail, a special correctional facility for ladies. at least that is where she was before, according to the link i clicked on. lindsay lohan i know about because i have followed her case quite closely. she has been working in a mortuary. seems like a nice girl, just needs to get back on the straight and narrow. listen, you give the impression of being both quite sensible and authoritative, concerning all of this. so can i be so bold as to exploit your knowledge a tiny bit further and ask if you know what is written on the left-hand side of this scan? it looks like hebrew or arabic, and i wondered if it was some kind of secret message, but i didn't like that little scorpion. i can wait until you return from new york city if you like. have a nice trip. even though you do not say so, i can tell from your writing style that you are a female. it is nice to be acquainted with you, whoever you are. -g

[Patrycja]

Geoffrey,

Since you posted it publicly, I hope you don't mind another pair of eyes having a go at the letters. To that end, it looks like Tibetan Sanskrit. Check out the second from the bottom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phrase_sanskrit.png

This one is has more similarities:

http://tibet.dharmakara.net/TibetABC.html

As to what it says, others knowledgeable in the field will hopefully help out. Good luck.