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Re: Curfews

Postby Boro » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:02 am

Does anybody know if there is going to exist Curfew limit in Bergen concert?

Thanks in advance
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Re: Curfews

Postby TipperaryAnn » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:28 pm

jarkko wrote:In Helsinki the curfew will be 11 pm. That's why the concert begins at 7 pm.
I hope this will apply also to Dublin and other venues where the curfew is 11 pm.

Who decides when a concert starts - the venue, the local promoter or LC management?
You know what time the Helsinki concert will begin, Jarkko, but several posts asking about the starting time of other concerts have remained unanswered because nobody knows!
Odd - this is pretty basic information. Are they hoping people will come earlier to the venues and spend more money there or what? :?

Presumably too it is "somebody's" duty to liaise with local promoters and find out if there is a curfew, so it shouldn't come as a nasty surprise as in Amsterdam.
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Re: Curfews

Postby real-alan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:17 pm

TipperaryAnn wrote:
Who decides when a concert starts - the venue, the local promoter or LC management?
the "usual" process is a negotiation between the local promoter and the tour management.... although sometimes it will be stipulated in the contract. I would hope the local promoter would be aware of (a) curfew time and (b) the length of the show.... none of this should come as a surprise... 8)
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Re: Curfews

Postby tomsakic » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:03 pm

last night’s curfew was in place at the running request of local residents, who are not fans of late-night music, and understandably so. But, last night, there were calls to the mayor, or city, or council, or whoever has their finger on the mystery-button, asking for the music to be turned up! So tonight, we have a fifteen minute extension on the curfew. Thanks residents.

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A reader could be forgiven, thinking that someone like LC could simply play on past a curfew and get away with it. So often, musicians and artists believe so strongly in themselves, they act as if the rules and guidelines don’t apply to them. By way of my witness, Chris, technician of bass and lots of other things, I’m told that Leonard simply wants, ‘to be invited back.’ That’s a little way of making a big difference — humility grants you the extra 15 minutes; arrogance steals it.
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Re: Curfews

Postby TipperaryAnn » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:23 am

I read and enjoy Leif's backstage blog, (and due credit to LC, being the professional he is, for being able to extract some humour from the situation in Amsterdam!) but quoting from it does nothing to address the original question posed by Paul Zagreb:
Paul Zagreb wrote: The question, then, if curfew times are known in advance, why not start concerts earlier?
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As simple as that.

( And preferably tell Ticketmaster etc. the agreed starting time so that they can tell the punters who pay for the tickets! )
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Re: Curfews

Postby Wan » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:08 pm

Hello everybody, I already got a ticket of Pairs' show months ago.
Now I'm considering since I'll travel within Europe, maybe I can go for one more concert in Lisbon.
But I just noticed on the blueticket's website, it says "show length: 120 minutes".
I've never been to LC's concert before, don't know it's just saying on the website or it'll be true. :roll:
Also I noticed the concerts in Spain and Portugal all start late at 9pm, wondering curfew times in those cities :?:
would be grateful if anybody has any ideas! thx!
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Re: Curfews

Postby NEW_IDEAS » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:52 pm

A Cohen show is better when it´s dark (and seated). So I´d actually hoped for concerts in concerts halls instead of the outdoor shows. As Jarkko wrote, the weather here in Scandinavia can vary alot (well, for many more countries). A 3-4 hour show in heavy rain ain´t exactly very funny (unless, of course, if you´re wearing a Famous Blue Raincoat... :D )
And of course Leonard will tour again, so let´s hope for inside shows and let them start earlier so there won´t be any problems with the people catching buses and trains!
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Re: Curfews

Postby cohenadmirer » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:06 pm

Wan wrote:Hello everybody, I already got a ticket of Pairs' show months ago.
Now I'm considering since I'll travel within Europe, maybe I can go for one more concert in Lisbon.
But I just noticed on the blueticket's website, it says "show length: 120 minutes".
I've never been to LC's concert before, don't know it's just saying on the website or it'll be true. :roll:
Also I noticed the concerts in Spain and Portugal all start late at 9pm, wondering curfew times in those cities :?:
would be grateful if anybody has any ideas! thx!
I remember the 75th birthday concert in Barcelona 2009 started at 9pm and finished at 12.45 am . Don't know whether that was a curfew or just when they decided to end .It was very great but made for some transport difficulties as the 10000 plus people left the venue .
If there are no curfews in spain and leonard continues to want to play long concerts could be a marathon .
Perhaps our local spanish friends can clarify
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Re: Curfews

Postby Wan » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:18 pm

cohenadmirer wrote:
Wan wrote:Hello everybody, I already got a ticket of Pairs' show months ago.
Now I'm considering since I'll travel within Europe, maybe I can go for one more concert in Lisbon.
But I just noticed on the blueticket's website, it says "show length: 120 minutes".
I've never been to LC's concert before, don't know it's just saying on the website or it'll be true. :roll:
Also I noticed the concerts in Spain and Portugal all start late at 9pm, wondering curfew times in those cities :?:
would be grateful if anybody has any ideas! thx!
I remember the 75th birthday concert in Barcelona 2009 started at 9pm and finished at 12.45 am . Don't know whether that was a curfew or just when they decided to end .It was very great but made for some transport difficulties as the 10000 plus people left the venue .
If there are no curfews in spain and leonard continues to want to play long concerts could be a marathon .
Perhaps our local spanish friends can clarify
Thanks for your information! 9pm is a bit late for a marathon concert though
Hope I can still find cheap flights to Lisbon at this time :P
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Re: Curfews

Postby twickmag » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:12 pm

Wembley

Customer service at Live Nation have indicated that the curfew for the Saturday concert is 2300.
The ticket says: Doors 6pm-Show 7.30pm
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Re: Curfews

Postby musicmania » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:06 pm

twickmag wrote:Wembley

Customer service at Live Nation have indicated that the curfew for the Saturday concert is 2300.
The ticket says: Doors 6pm-Show 7.30pm
Why have they a curfew at an indoor concert? Surely it could start and finish whenever Leonard wishes?
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Re: Curfews

Postby Mabeanie1 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:23 pm

musicmania wrote:
twickmag wrote:Wembley

Customer service at Live Nation have indicated that the curfew for the Saturday concert is 2300.
The ticket says: Doors 6pm-Show 7.30pm
Why have they a curfew at an indoor concert? Surely it could start and finish whenever Leonard wishes?
Sometimes legal (licensing) reasons; sometimes to do with the time the staff are contracted to work until - they have to get home after the show as well.

I am not remotely surprised that the Wembley shows will finish at 11.00 pm. That's the norm rather than the exception for an indoor arena and it's really quite naive to think that the concerts can start and finish whenever Leonard wants. I think we'll be very lucky if we see any more shows as long as the openers in Ghent but 7.30 - 11.00 pm will still give us 3 solid hours of music. That's much more than most concerts.

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Re: Curfews

Postby musicmania » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:31 pm

Mabeanie1 wrote:
musicmania wrote:
twickmag wrote:Wembley

Customer service at Live Nation have indicated that the curfew for the Saturday concert is 2300.
The ticket says: Doors 6pm-Show 7.30pm
Why have they a curfew at an indoor concert? Surely it could start and finish whenever Leonard wishes?
Sometimes legal (licensing) reasons; sometimes to do with the time the staff are contracted to work until - they have to get home after the show as well.

I am not remotely surprised that the Wembley shows will finish at 11.00 pm. That's the norm rather than the exception for an indoor arena and it's really quite naive to think that the concerts can start and finish whenever Leonard wants. I think we'll be very lucky if we see any more shows as long as the openers in Ghent but 7.30 - 11.00 pm will still give us 3 solid hours of music. That's much more than most concerts.

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Well all I know is for The O2 in Dublin concerts start and finish at the times requested by the artist in question. Some concerts I've attended there have finished well after midnight and some well before. I'm not suggesting or expecting Leonard to play concerts as long as they were in Ghent but surely he would have an input into starting and finishing time of his gigs indoors within the venue guidelines and legal guideline of course.
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Re: Curfews

Postby Mabeanie1 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:35 pm

musicmania wrote:Well all I know is for The O2 in Dublin concerts start and finish at the times requested by the artist in question. Some concerts I've attended there have finished well after midnight and some well before. I'm not suggesting or expecting Leonard to play concerts as long as they were in Ghent but surely he would have an input into starting and finishing time of his gigs indoors within the venue guidelines and legal guideline of course.
Probably licensing laws are different in Dublin? But I think you provided your own answer Gwen when you said within venue and legal guidelines.

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Re: Curfews

Postby James T » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:39 pm

I have never known a concert go past 11pm Indoor in the UK, and the only outdoor ones would be huge festival shows. Going past 11 on a Sunday in Wembley would be a nightmare for most of the attendees. People gotta get home!

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